I think I was standing in front of the microwave too long.

evilmaster2424

Yeah, I think so too...

And don't thank me for fixing your spelling.

I do.

People exaggerate though, if you learn how to do it properly, it shouldn't hurt.

How about you just told her;"anything Bal-Sagoth". Hm? Was that not easier than creating asubgenre, whichonly 5-10internationally renown bands in the world falls under?Chances are, she´s heard a song of em´ before, and will instantly understand what you´re talking about? This whole "it´s more practical"-argument just isn´t working, there is nothing practical about adding a new underbranch everytime a new band steps in and plays a similar, but somewhat alternate, sound. You might as well just refer to the band; so much for the "useful" argument.BiancaDK

You're missing the point though. Those genres usually apply to much more than 5 - 10 bands. I don't understand why people say that we make a new genre every time a new band forms because that is completely untrue. I'm sure that you will struggle to name three VALID metal sub-genres that have been created over the last five years.

"but you should just call them industrial." Why are you arguing against me, when you just agreed with my overall point right there?BiancaDK

I've never said that metal doesn't have some ridiculous sub-genres but it's not as much as people seem to believe. A lot of you do not realize that other genres also have many unnecessary sub-genres, it has been posted before but look at THIS.

The majority of people into metal don´t have a problem in recognising to what sub-genre a metal band belongs to?

That seems highlyfallacious to me. Provide numbers to your claim, because as far as i know, there are many metalheads in GS Off-topic, and despite of this, the metal genre is winning (losing?) the poll by a friggin´ landslide.BiancaDK

But the poll isn't about recognising sub-genres is it? As far as I know there is only a very small amount of people on OT who know their stuff well when it comes to metal, those who are new to it or not as much into it (which seems to be the majority) will not recognise the sub-genres easily because as I said, it comes with experience.

[QUOTE="Martzel94"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]And the reason why I replied the way I did, is because other genres are varied and diverse too and yet dont have that many subgenres. Therefore diversity and too many genres dont go hand by hand.

Teenaged

They don't?

And then it also occured to me that among fans of different genres, metal fans are the ones that um lets say pay attention to these too many subgenres. Even on the internet or in real life, I havent heard any fan of hip hop or electronic music refer to so many genres, or feel that the categorisation has to be that specific.

See, those are not just meaningless metal terms as some people seem to think. We use them very often to describe different sounds and it makes conversations easier.

Oh look it is another ignorant metal generalization thread. Electronic music is a million times more ridiculous then metal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electronic_music_genres Srsly, bouncy techno? Darkcore? Drumfunk? Clownstep?:lol: Darth-Caedus

:lol:

People should look at other genres too and then decide whether metal really has that many ridiculous sub-genres.

[QUOTE="Martzel94"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]So if he doesnt imply that then why feel then need to point it out other than to differentiate it from other genres (since he does use the term genre)?

If his statement is just a general one then it pretty much says nothing and his reasoning is well.... not making any point, now, is it?

Teenaged

I was replying to a person who said that metal has too many sub-genres so why would I need to mention other music genres?

They don't?

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Oh please....

Genres other than metal arent varied and diverse?

Teenaged

^His post never says that. :|

If his statement is just a general one then it pretty much says nothing and his reasoning is well.... not making any point, now, is it?

I was replying to a person who said that metal has too many sub-genres so why would I need to mention other music genres?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Martzel94"]

A symphonic metal artist such as?

Metal might seem like it has the most ridiculous amount of sub-genres, but that is because it is such a varied genre. At some point the amount of sub-genres can become ridiculous but without using terms like death, thrash, black, progressive and so on, it would be impossible to discuss the music.

chessmaster1989

Genres other than metal arent varied and diverse?

^His post never says that. :|

Exactly.

I never questioned how much into music you are but the categorizations are useful. Let's use symphonic metal for an example. If someone asks what symphonic black metal bands you like, you will straight away know that he is referring to bands like Bal-Sagoth not Immortal for example.

*Wikipedia excerpt about Mnemic*BiancaDK

I've never listened to them but that amount of categorization is usually unnecessary. I suppose the author of that article wanted to point out the musical elements that they mix but you should just call them industrial.

Sure, there are subgenres of metal that hold what i would deem a valid descriptive value, but the sheer amount of subgenres out there nowadays, it´s ridiculous keeping in check with it. I get corrected all the time, because someone happened to have a different intepretation of how XYZ metal subgenre should be defined, and what criterias weigh the most when categorizing a band within XYZ subgenre. It´s almost like playing semantics.BiancaDK

The majority of people into metal don't have a problem in recognising to what sub-genre a metal band belongs to, I guess it comes from the amount of experience you gather when listening to different sub-genres. Eventually it becomes quite easy.

Sub-genres are used to discern between different sounds which makes conversations much easier. In case of metal, some genres also carry certain values and ideas and putting them all under one tag would be far too confusing.

It was a hypothetical scenario, if you desire proof on metal artists mixing a plethora of metal subgenres, you clearly do not listen to metal yourself hehe (:BiancaDK

It's just that unless someone wants to ask about specific elements in a band's sound, such amount of categorization is not used.