Deal with these guys too becuase according to yourself, they know more Islam and arabic than you:

    * 3.1 Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi
    * 3.2 Shaykh Muhammad ibn 'Uthaymeen
    * 3.3 'Ibn Kathir
    * 3.4 Al-Jalalayn
    * 3.5 Ibn Abbas
    * 3.6 Al-Wahidi
    * 3.7 Al-Tabari
    * 3.8 Zamakshari
    * 3.9 Tabrasi
    * 3.10 Al-Shoukani
    * 3.11 Abu-Hayyan

You cant make a refutation unless you get atleast 11 other equivalent Islamic scholars to reject the above scholars.You're not a scholar so your opinion doesnt count.

You need to read the article.

Lam ( 4;َ5;ْ ) = did not (negation in past tense)

 Copy paste the URL:

http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Pedophilia_in_the_Quran#Detailed_analysis_of_the_verse_in_Arabic

Lane's lexicon for Lam:

Lam = 4;
lam = Negative particle giving to the present the sense of the perfect; not.

Quoting you:

- Zayd laa ya'lamu = He doesn't know
- Zayd lam ya'lamu = He didn't know

This is exactly what the section is saying too. Please read the article for once (arabic letters arent coming out here).

What?

They have grammatically incorrect arabic? Says who? You who knows more than them?

Why are you calling my post trolling?

Another point: Why should I be afraid of a God who threatens to burn me in Hellfire? (Quran 48:13). I dont need to respect or fear this kind of cruel God. Allah is not a God anyway. Muhammad was a false prophet.

Yes the 10 Islamic scholars who confirmed the meaning of 65:4 know nothing about Islam and arabic as compared to you.

You're also ignoring Muhammad who had sex with 9 year old Aisha. That makes him a sex offendor and a pedophile according to modern standards.

Ghokle

- You dodged the fact that this interpretation is grammatically incorrect.

Let me list again the things that you've dodged:

1. Opinions of 10 Islamic scholars, while admitting that you dont know more than the scholars.
2. Muhammad himself setting the example of pedophilia, by having sex with 9 year old Aisha.

Would you ever have sex with a 9 year old, Ghokle? I doubt it. You'd end up in prison and be labelled as a sex offensor and for the protection of society, you'd get a GPS unit on your feet to track your movements.

- I will never agree that the Qur'an condones paedophilia.

Ofcourse, no Muslim would agree with that. Did you think we thought we'd get you to agree with that? You would rather die than agree with that. You wouldnt agree with it even if Muhammad himself left his 72-virgins in Islamic heaven (not a myth, see hadith at end) and came down to tell you himself that yes, not only did he have sex with 9 year old Aisha, but Quran 65:4 too allows sex with girls who havent reached puberty. Thats just the nature of Islamic faith. Reason goes out the window when faith takes its place.

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72 virgins hadith:

"It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet Muhammad PBUH saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a." - Vol. IV, Chapters on "The Features of Heaven as described by the Messenger of Allah", ch. 21 "About the Smallest Reward for the People of Heaven", hadith 2687

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I think it's good in some cases, but fearing god like you're scared of god is just insane in my opnion. What do you think?ghoklebutter

I'm not afraid of a God whose "prophet" married a 9 year old girl when he was 54. I'm talking about Aisha and Muhammad ofcourse

Being afraid of Allah, a non-existing God is no use at all. Leave Islam today, Ghokle.

As a Muslim I have high respect for Judaism. Many Jews are very hardworking and scincere, unlike most Muslims today. And Judaism is very similar to Islam. How about you guys?

ghoklebutter

Ghokle, you as a Muslim may have respect for Jews but Islam and Muhammad themselves? The less said the better. Here are a few examples:

And ye know of those of you who broke the Sabbath, how We said unto them: Be ye apes, despised and hated! Qur'an 2:65

Narrated 'Aisha and 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas: When the last moment of the life of Allah's Apostle came he started putting his 'Khamisa' on his face and when he felt hot and short of breath he took it off his face and said, "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets." The Prophet was warning (Muslims) of what those had done.
Sahih Bukhari 1:8:427

The Final Hour will not come until Muslims slaughter Jews, and even the rocks and trees will betray the Jews hiding behind them.
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Sahih Muslim 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim 41:6981, Sahih Muslim 41:6982, Sahih Muslim 41:6983, Sahih Muslim 41:6984, Sahih Bukhari 4:56:791

Muslims should not greet Jews before the Jews greet them, and Muslims should force Jews to go to the narrowest part of the road.
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it.
Sahih Muslim 26:5389

 900 defenseless Jews of the Banu Qurayza tribe were beheaded on the orders of Muhammad and their women and childrenwere enslaved.

Learn more at:

http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/The_Genocide_of_Banu_Qurayza

1. Muhammad ghoklebutter? Why did you call me that? Also, censor bypassing is an offense on GS.

My views change a lot. I'm going through a yo-yo phase if you will (not with the tafsirs, but Islam in general).

2. I respect Judaism, but I'm not crazy about it.

3. You are entitled to your opinion.

If the translation is grammatically incorrect (in Arabic) then it's wrong, simple as that. It's just how I see it. It doesn't matter who interprets it, if it's grammatically incorrect. 

I will not leave Islam and I don't plan to for some time. If you wish to continue this debate, calling me Muhammad Ghoklebutter and sticking to your agitated tone is not going to help.

ghoklebutter

Ok so if thats all you have to say then you have conceded defeat in this thread. In summary:

You ignored the opinions of 10 well known historical Islamic scholars, example of Muhamamd's own Pedophila (Aisha) and proceeded to insert your own opinions while admitting that you have been studying arabic for only one year and that you "certainly don't know as much as the scholars."

Good! It would have saved everyone time if you had said that in the beginning.

I'll end my post with another great teaching from Muhammad:

Allah loves sneezes
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Allah loves sneezing but dislikes yawning; so if anyone of you sneezes and then praises Allah, every Muslim who hears him (praising Allah) has to say Tashmit to him. But as regards yawning, it is from Satan, so if one of you yawns, he should try his best to stop it, for when anyone of you yawns, Satan laughs at him."
Sahih Bukhari 8:73:245

Next time you sneeze, Muhamamd Ghokle, know that Allah likes sneezes but dislikes yawning. Tell me though: why would the creator of this vast Universe love sneezing but hate yawning?

What wisdom can be gleened from this hadith?