But Tafsirs were the reason why you didnt convert to Judaism, according to your own words.

Now you're saying that Tafsirs are crap, so whats stopping you from converting to Judaism, Muhammad Ghokle?

- I don't care about the story of Aisha because this is the 21th century, not the 7th century.

PRECISELY. Leave Islam TODAY! Its a religion that belongs to the 7th century, not the 21st.

Muhammad GhokleButter

This ***** (Ediited censor-bypass ~~ MGN) forum software now doesnt even let me use copy paste unless I use Firefox.

- 1. Let me elaborate. I certainly don't know as much as the scholars. I found MYSELF that translating part 65:4 as "and those who never menstruate" is wrong because lam is used, not laa! Prove me wrong grammatically, don't tell me about 10 scholars and their opinions. Give me evidence that I'm wrong about the negation.

The evidence is that your opinions are contradicting those of 10 well known Islamic scholars. That is enough evidence. Provide equally strong evidence that you are right and they are wrong. Further supporting evidence:

1. You were impressed by Tafsirs and said they were the reason why you didnt convert to Judaism. Then just one month later you have now changed your views and said Tafsirs are biased and full of errors.

2. You are a new student of Arabic and cannot speak full arabic therefore you dont know anything about Islam or even arabic.

You said you're not picky about hadith. I'm sure you know Muhammed the arab prescribed camel urine as medicine, in hadith.

Ghoklebutter

Tafsirs say nothing new. They only explain the Quran and confirm its meaning.

So again, you have yet to respond to why 10 Islamic scholars and the Quran and the hadith are saying one thing, while you, a new fresh student of arabic are saying another and who didnt know jack about Tafsirs and changed his view on them in just a month.

Muhammad was sexually attracted to 6 year old Aisha when the arab man was 51 years old and old enough to her grandfather. Is this the man you idealize and follow?

Look up "Taqiya" as well in addition to: pedophile, humble.

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I don't listen to most commentators and scholars because tend to be biased.

Gambler_3

Let me tell you something about myself. I used to be just as critical on Islam as you. I almost converted to Judiasm because I thought that Islam was a violent, scientifically inaccurate, unpeaceful and sexist religion. Then I realized I was wrong. Why? Because I read a tafsir of the Qur'an. Everything that anti-Muslims say about Islam is pretty much refuted in the tafsir.

ghoklebutter

Well well hmm....

Lol BUSTED!

- I don't know that much about Islam. I am not a scholar. ... They know way more than I do.

Good! Then dont go around saying 10 well-known Islamic scholars must have gotten their Tafsirs of the Quran wrong.

- But like me, they are humans, they make mistakes.

Really? What are the chances that TEN of them got it all wrong while you, a student who has been studying arabic for one year only got it right? have you heard of the word "humble"?

- Al-Tabari said crazy things like that all women are stupid because Eve menstruated.

It was BUKHARI (as well) that report Muhammad saying that Women are STUPID:

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Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion." - Sahih Bukhari 1:6:301

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- Me compared to them is like comparing an atom to a football field.

Then say what other Muslims say:
1. Allah knows best
2. I dont know, the scholars know best. Please ask them.

- I just know how negation works.

No, you dont know more about negation than those 10 Islamic scholars, sorry. Look up the word humble again.

- Let me guess, you're also from WikiIslam, right?

Irrelevant to the discussion. The discussion is about Quran and pedophilia.

You talk as if you're an Islamic scholar yourself.

- But lam changes the tense of the verb, laa doesn't. That's why their assessment appears flawed to me.

Yes 10 well known Islamic scholars must be wrong and you must be right. My bad.

- I could be wrong, I'm not making an absolute statement.

No no, you are right my Ghoklebutter friend. Its those 10 well-known Islamic scholars who must be wrong. They know NOTHING about Arabic as compared to you. They should have learnt arabic from you, you know. They would have learnt so many things they didnt know. Poor guys, I guess they missed out the opportunity.

- I've studied Arabic for at least a year, I very well know how negation works and how the negative particles work. Do you know Arabic?

Does it matter if I know Arabic? The 10 Islamic scholars you've ignored knew Arabic, did they not? Yet you think you know MORE than them when ifnact you are a student of arabic who cant even speak arabic fully yet.

So once again: Muhammad had sex with 9 year old Aisha and this fact has been recorded in hadiths and the correct meaning of Quran 65:4 has been confirmed by the scholars who wrote the Tafsirs.

 I did find the article you copy pasted parts from (it wasnt the whole article so I found it when I googled another part of it)  Answering-Christianity.com

 Its funny by the way when Muslims find faults in Christianity when it was just another religion revealed by ALLAH. Allah failed to protect his religion from corruption. He was powerless to protect it then. He was powerless to protect Islam too and the proof is all over this thread.