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Ghokle,
You say you dont even speak full arabic and you're saying 10 Islamic Scholars who wrote the Tafirs dont know their stuff. Good stuff. Thats like a little boy who knows how to open a car door telling a car mechanic he doesnt know anything about cars.
While you're taking that Quran exegesis course, explore the meaning of 4:34 and then ask your teacher why your favourite Yusuf Ali too translated 4:34 to ask husbands to beat their wives if they dont obey them. Pickthall and Shakir translated it the same. Why? Because thats what the Quran says. Aisha himself was beaten by Muhammad on the chest causing her pain, atleast once. Once again Quran and hadith coincide with each other.
GhokleButter
- You didn't read my post, did you? Translating that verse as "girls who have never menstruated" is not in accordance with Arabic grammar.
Uh, you're no one to ignore the tafsirs of 10 Islamic scholars and challenge their interpretations and put in your own and ignore the deeds of your prophet himself who had sex with 9 year old Aisha, which again - makes him a pedophile.
- Aisha is irrelevant right now.
Ofcourse she isnt. Muhammad had sex with 9 year old Aisha, did he not? Is that not in ACCORDANCE with what the Quran says? Do Quran verses not have to be understood in context of HADITHS? Ofcourse!
- I copied and pasted from another article. I even have the link.
Ok perhaps my bad but when I searched your post in Google I didnt find any results. Please post the link to prove it was a copy paste
- I didn't read the wikiislam article because I had little time to do so.
I hope you dont commit the same mistake again.
- But I don't really trust the source anymore.
Who cares what you trust?You've ignored the tafsirs of 10 Islamic SCHOLARS and inserted in your own arabic interpretation which CONTRADICTS and goes against the interpretation of the Islamic Scholars and the example of Muhammad himself.
- I just said it was annoying. I don't call critics of Islam "Islamophobes" since a phobia is an irrational fear while criticism is based on rational deduction of facts. I guess that wasn't necessary for me to post it, though.
As I said this isnt important enough to talk about.
- Oh and by the way new users sometimes can't edit their posts.Not true, I found out now I can do it. I had to hunt for it in the dropdown.
You need to stop replying to this thread until you can respond to Sanitarium's points. To summarize:
Quran 65:4 talks about girls who havent menstruated yet. If you're calling Yusuf Ali a great commentator and famous translator (translator he was) then you cant ignore all these others who confimed the meaning of 65:4 to denote girls who havent reached the age of puberty:
Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi
Shaykh Muhammad ibn 'Uthaymeen
Ibn Kathir
Al-Jalalayn
Ibn Abbas
Al-Wahidi
Al-Tabari
Zamakshari
Tabrasi
Al-Shoukani
Abu-Hayyan
Alright. And on top of that, Muhammed himself got himself engaged to 6 year old Aisha and this 54 year old arab man had sex with her when she was just 9 years old. This fact has been recorded in multiple hadiths and this makes your prophet a pedophile. Therefore 65:4 is confirming what Muhammad did himself.
- Also, the article I posted was rather shabby.
It was not an "article" that you posted. It was your OWN POST. You just didnt know you would end up talking to someone who knew more about Islam than you and you thought that post would be enough. Now you're going back and calling your own writeup a "shabby post".
- By the way, it's just as annoying to call someone an apologist as it is to call a critic of Islam an Islamophobe.
No one disputes the definition of an apologist: its someone who defends their religion. Whats there to be offended about, Ghokle? On the other hand the definition of Islamophobia is a disputed with many famous people saying the word is invalid and an attempt to silence the criticism of Islam.
But stop complaining about being called an apologist. Do something more important like - dealing with the points brought up and the allegations that Quran allows sex with girls who havent reached puberty.
- But I'm not picky with Hadiths (even though I don't trust most of them) because that's what those apologetics do.
Great to hear that! Here's some hadiths for you:
- Prayer annulled by a dog, donkey and a woman
The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, "Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people)." I said, "You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. - Sahih Bukhari 1:9:490
- Holy Ride on Smelly Donkey Causes Massive Shoe Fight and Obvious Qur'an Revelation
Narrated Anas: It was said to the Prophet "Would that you see Abdullah bin Ubai." So, the Prophet went to him, riding a donkey, and the Muslims accompanied him, walking on salty barren land. When the Prophet reached 'Abdullah bin Ubai, the latter said, "Keep away from me! By Allah, the bad smell of your donkey has harmed me." On that an Ansari man said (to 'Abdullah), "By Allah! The smell of the donkey of Allah's Apostle is better than your smell." On that a man from 'Abdullah's tribe got angry for 'Abdullah's sake, and the two men abused each other which caused the friends of the two men to get angry, and the two groups started fighting with sticks, shoes and hands. We were informed that the following Divine Verse was revealed (in this concern):-- "And if two groups of Believers fall to fighting then, make peace between them. (Qur'an 49:9)" - Sahih Bukhari 3:49:856 (duplicated in Sahih Muslim 19:4433)
More here: http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Islamic_Silliness (copy paste into browser, this forum sucks - cant even put in a link to a site or quote someone without doing it manually)
Let me guess your response: I quoted them out of context. You're in 10th grade Ghokle. Please, leave Islam. Islam is a false religion. God may exist but Islam is a hoax created by a very intelligent man, Muhammad. He had to be smart otherwise he couldnt have fooled all the people around him into thinking he was a prophet of God.
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