Sad but I am not suprised that this has happened. This is america people, the only think that matters over there is $$$. Almost every developed country has free universal healthcare, the whole of Europe has free healthcare and it's good quality healthcare.

I don't get the "I don't care/Won't pay for other people healthcare" argument. Do people forget that other people will pay for YOU when you get sick. I guess people prefer/trust greedy insurance companies more.

I am glad I live in Europe.

[QUOTE="Valiant_Rebel"]

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

even if all 360 games were on pc it would still be worse then 360

sikanderahmed

Wouldn't they just be the same version? Wouldn't that mean that both versions of a game would either suceed or fail together?

i meant 360would b still be a better gaming system even if all of its games were on pc

Yeah sure it would, worse graphics, bigger rip-off, worse community and extra free feature called RROD. Yes sir Xbox owns :lol:

Face the facts, lemmings just got owned badly.

Nobody seems to know what the problem is. I think it's just another example of bad coding in order to port the game as fast as possible. You should check out EA battlefield forums.

A lot of people are looking for solution so that's probably the best place to look at in order to find answers. Don't expect much since this is a bad port and in order to run this game good you need a quad core CPU.

[QUOTE="Mitjastiskovski"]

[QUOTE="o0squishy0o"]

So lets say... probably not the best deal but a PS3slim (£270)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-Console-250GB-Model/dp/B002OOWHKQ/ref=sr_tr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1264973451&sr=8-1

Can someone build a PC from scratch (as you would have too... because you need to buy a new console) so only fair. But lets stay with just the tower. SO a fully usable PC £270 with bluray plus wireless. Need an OS as well I guess.

So the list is:

Processor. Ram. Mobo. graphics card. 250gb (min) harddrive. Bluray drive. Wireless. OS. PSU. (Full tower setup). ALL FOR LESS THAN £270

Someone said something about steam having cheap games... You can go to shops like CEX that sell games for similiar prices lol.

I am no console person but to say PC gaming is cheaper... I dont think it is lol

o0squishy0o

First off you don't need to buy a new PC, you can just upgrade the one your already got and save hundreds of pounds. No need to make rules up to benefit your argument. I can also make my own rules up, you need an HDTV to get the full benefit of a PS3 and that alone can cost a couple of hundred pounds.

And Since you want a PC that can do everything that PS3 can do, let's do the same for PS3. I want to use my PS3 for my job that I have, can I do that? Big Fat NO

See I can also spin the BS the way I want to.

PC Gaming over the whole gen comes in cheaper than consoles. Lower game prices, MOD support for most PC games which extends games for up to hundreds of hours. You can also use your PC for everything, work, shopping etc something a PS3 can't do FACT.

Why do I need a blu-ray drive for? You stated that you want to see a PC with a blu-ray drive which is totally unnecessary in a PC. Your way of thinking is totally wrong, the only thing you look at is starting prices but you don't want to see what happens over a whole gen 5-6 years.

Sure the start up price is more expensive, since you have to cover your own cost for hardware, not sony covering the $100-$150 lost per console sold. But in return you get games cheaper while on consoles, sony needs to recover the money lost from hardware and they charge for games/accessories more.

PC Gaming is simply a better value. Cost is less or equal to a console but in return you can do everything you want on a PC. The difference is PC costs are not hidden, while console costs are hidden. Pay to play online, Games cost more, Accessories are a total rip-off etc.

Console fanboys use their argument PC cost $800, yeah sure it does, you make a one time payment but then for the next 4-5 years you get that money back from cheaper games. While console cost less, you pay $300 but then for the next 4-5 years your are paying way more for games/accessories while in the mean time a PC gamer who has spend more cash for starting up, buys the same games cheaper and plays them with better graphics.

Simple maths really, it's sad to see people not getting that point.

So lets say... probably not the best deal but a PS3slim (£270)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-Console-250GB-Model/dp/B002OOWHKQ/ref=sr_tr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1264973451&sr=8-1

Can someone build a PC from scratch (as you would have too... because you need to buy a new console) so only fair. But lets stay with just the tower. SO a fully usable PC £270 with bluray plus wireless. Need an OS as well I guess.

So the list is:

Processor. Ram. Mobo. graphics card. 250gb (min) harddrive. Bluray drive. Wireless. OS. PSU. (Full tower setup). ALL FOR LESS THAN £270

Someone said something about steam having cheap games... You can go to shops like CEX that sell games for similiar prices lol.

I am no console person but to say PC gaming is cheaper... I dont think it is lol

o0squishy0o

First off you don't need to buy a new PC, you can just upgrade the one your already got and save hundreds of pounds. No need to make rules up to benefit your argument. I can also make my own rules up, you need an HDTV to get the full benefit of a PS3 and that alone can cost a couple of hundred pounds.

And Since you want a PC that can do everything that PS3 can do, let's do the same for PS3. I want to use my PS3 for my job that I have, can I do that? Big Fat NO

See I can also spin the BS the way I want to.

PC Gaming over the whole gen comes in cheaper than consoles. Lower game prices, MOD support for most PC games which extends games for up to hundreds of hours. You can also use your PC for everything, work, shopping etc something a PS3 can't do FACT.

It isn't cheaper if you don't have a starting point (i.e. an already extant desktop in your home). Building a PC from the ground up (especially a gaming PC, designed to run games very nicely) is quite a bit more expensive than what it would cost to buy a Wii, 360 or PS3. I would love someone to show me how to build a PC that can max Crysis, STALKER: Clear Sky and Mass Effect 2 for no more than $300... and have it include a monitor, mouse, keyboard, DVD/R-ROM and tower.

foxhound_fox

PC over a whole generation comes out cheaper than a console, it's a fact. The reason why that is the case is because every PC game comes around $10-$15 cheaper than the console version. Now multiply that by the number of games you buy over the whole gen. Most people will buy 20+ games over the whole gen, that's already a saving of up to $200 to $300 if not more compared to the console just on games. Not to mention for some console you have to pay to play online, multiply that by 5+ since that's how long each gen last.

Not to mention everyone that is posting on these forums are posting from a computer. Since most average computers today already have a dual-core cpu and 2GB of RAM, you would only need to buy a GPU and in some cases a better power supply and you have a good gaming PC. You only need to spend around a $100 on the upgrades and that average computer will become a gaming PC that will be able to max out any console port easily.

Consoles at first may appear to be cheaper but over the whole gen that cost will mount up. While a good PC may first appear expensive, over the whole gen the cost will decrease because games are so much cheaper compared to consoles. Also if you use MODS your PC games will also give you more mileage for the buck than a console game.

[QUOTE="Mitjastiskovski"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] The cult of hardware worship strikes again. The components of a console may be PC-derived, but the built-for-gaming frameworks and UI designed for use from 10' away make consoles something entirely different from a Windows PC. You can try to retrofit these things onto Windows, but reducing Windows to a level suitable for use on a console would mean giving up a lot of the flexibility that PC users value. Control or simplicity - you can't have both. Consoles are truly gaming appliances, regardless of the hardware in them.lowe0

Yeah consoles use PC-derived hardware but the frameworks and UI is designed to make a console a closed off platform. And for the record consoles are not a simple gaming appliances, in fact every new gen they seem to go more towards the PC route, so that you can do multiple things on them. Today consoles, you can watch movies, browse websites, listen to music, stream movies and videos etc. By the looks of things, console are not just simple gaming machines that only play games far from it. They smell to me more like cheap PC that is locked down by big corp like Micro$oft and $ony so that they can charge you extra for nothing.

A Console is basically a PC with a controller and less freedom to do what you want with a product you paid your hard earned cash for. A milkage machine basically

Well if you like having no choice to do what you want, maybe you should move to north korea, the government there also decides when you are going for a p*ss or a s*it. You might like it there, since you have no choice which you prefer.

[QUOTE="Mitjastiskovski"]

The FAIL is strong in this tread. PC Gaming is above all three consoles. In terms of games and hardware it's miles ahead of the consoles. What console fanboys forget is that consoles are exacly the same as a PC. Everything that is used in todays console comes from PC, every new gen consoles just copy the latest PC hardware and then sticks it's own name on.

CPU's, GPU's, Hard-drives, Online gaming, HD Resolution gaming all came from the PC gaming. Just like DigitalDistribution will come to console next-gen. The fact is consoles are 5 steps behind all the time and each new gen, they catch up only to fall behind again. It's a never ending cycle. Console will always stay behind in development.

Console is a PC. Try and get that though your t*ick fanboy skull

lowe0

Yeah consoles use PC-derived hardware but the frameworks and UI is designed to make a console a closed off platform. And for the record consoles are not a simple gaming appliances, in fact every new gen they seem to go more towards the PC route, so that you can do multiple things on them. Today consoles, you can watch movies, browse websites, listen to music, stream movies and videos etc. By the looks of things, console are not just simple gaming machines that only play games far from it. They smell to me more like cheap PC that is locked down by big corp like Micro$oft and $ony so that they can charge you extra for nothing.

A Console is basically a PC with a controller and less freedom to do what you want with a product you paid your hard earned cash for. A milkage machine basically

[QUOTE="Mitjastiskovski"]

[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"] what about the games? at the end of the day that's what matters. Pc is all about potential power which is barely EVER exploited.Metroid_Other_M

PC has the most games available out of all platforms, better quality games, bigger diversity of games, not just FPS like the consoles do.

And if you have a good PC, you can exploit that power by runing a game with higher quality textures, better rez and better framerate than the consoles? How is that not using the power of a PC?

Not to mention PC gaming has the best looking game on all platforms and it's 2 years old already....

Just No. When have you seen PC gamers making threads in System wars on how to max out a game? Never yeah. :lol:

How many times you seen Console Graphics King threads? 10 every day at least. Now it's us PC gamers that eating our brains out about graphics. :lol:

I find it funny you are now trying to compare the diversity of games on consoles vs PC. :lol: Don't go there otherwise you are going to get severly owned.

You can't call Mario and Ratchet diversity games when there about about 500 mario games been made and about 50 ratchet games made. Talk about being milked :lol:

[QUOTE="Mitjastiskovski"]

The FAIL is strong in this tread. PC Gaming is standing above all three consoles. In terms of games and hardware it's miles ahead of the consoles. What console fanboys forget is that consoles are exacly the same as a PC. Everything that is used in todays console comes from PC, every new gen consoles just copy the latest PC hardware and then sticks it's own name on.

CPU's, GPU's, Hard-drives, Online gaming, HD Resolution gaming all came from the PC gaming. Just like DigitalDistribution will come to console next-gen. The fact is consoles are 5 steps behind all the time and each new gen, they catch up only to fall behind again. It's a never ending cycle. Console will always stay behind in development.

Metroid_Other_M

PC has the most games available out of all platforms, better quality games, bigger diversity of games, not just FPS like the consoles do.

And if you have a good PC, you can exploit that power by runing a game with higher quality textures, better rez and better framerate than the consoles? How is that not using the power of a PC?

Not to mention PC gaming has the best looking game on all platforms and it's 2 years old already....