I think the main issue is that your definition of meaningless is vague. You said that the western life is becoming more meaningless,as if, western life initially had more meaning, but you fail to explain what gives it more meaning. You repeatedly claim that the western societies promote the idea of working to earn money in order to buy neat stuff, but you didn't explain how that is meaningless. If someone enjoys their job as a social worker, because the oppurtunity to help others makes that person happy; how would their life be meaningless? If someone else enjoys fashion, and works in order to afford clothes to wear as a way of expressing themselves; how would their life be meaningless? If a person in a western society dies after living, at least what they find to be, a happy and satisfying life, how would their former life be meaningless? You may not find these things meaningless because they don't hold any interest in you, but it doesn't mean that others feel the same way. Hell, I don't know what gives a life meaning, but as long as people are happy, I think that's all that should matter. So yeah, a meaningful life really is what the person makes out of it.

Khoaki

[QUOTE="Ninja-Kitteh"][QUOTE="magicalclick"]That was a weak excuse, but, oh well, :roll:magicalclick

Reckless endangerment, felony possession of illegal weapons, minor in possession of a weapon, driving while under the influence (DUI), minor in possession of alcohol, public intoxication, property damage, disturbing the peace, etc. Roughly in the order of severity. Oh yeah, and whoever owned that assault rifle is ****ed too. Your cousin is going away for at least a few years, bud. Better start baking that cake to put a file in!

cowplayinghalo

That was a weak excuse, but, oh well, :roll:magicalclick

Probably already said like 1000 times already, but, couldn't you quit and go live on a warm beach in a little shack?magicalclick

[QUOTE="Ninja-Kitteh"]Again you insist upon this ridiculous reasoning of 'i have no idea of knowing what you're talking about!' I'll repeat myself for the tenth time then: Recently, i gave my life and life itself some serious thought from an 'outsider' perspective and concluded that society as i know it grooms us into a life of work, earn, spend, die. That's what we all do, or the vast majority at least. We get up, go to work, earn money and buy cool stuff. Most of that stuff is material, trivial, and pointless. Such a life, in my point of view, is pointless, and as we become more and more entrenched in this way of living, life becomes more and more pointless. That is my point of view. Now proceed to tell me that you have no idea what i'm talking about. MrGeezer

Alkright, in that case, I'm going to flat out disagree with you.

Take nearly every other organism on the planet, and most of their lives amount to "working, eating, trying to avoid being viciously and painfully slaughtered by horrible monsters, ****ing, and then dying."

Consider yourself damn lucky that you live in a society in which you can complain about how people have the luxury to have fun. Because for most of life, the entire point is to procreate. And I see no shortage of people doing that. If people getting lots of money and nice cars is going to better help them secure a desirable mate and then groom their offspring to be more successful within society, then I'd have a hard time declaring that as being "pointless". Under the criteria which you have given, that doesn't seem pointless or meaningless at all. People spend lots of money on stuff, largely because that helps them to attract better mates. The only real curiosity here is that we actually have the luxury of aspiring to have fun, and that the most reproductively successful people are those who are poor and uneducated.

That's certainly a weird curiosity, no doubt. That the most reproductively successful people are the poor, whereas others try very hard to become rich with the result being that they end up producing FEWER offspring. That seems awfully backwards evolutionarily speaking: that people try so hard to obtain a wealthy lifestyle that will result in them producing FEWER offspring. But that's the thing...right now, we're at an age in which most people can successfully have kids. That's already sort of assumed. If the point is merely to ****, raise kids, and then die, then most people have already got that. Which leaves us the luxury of actually being able to do recreational **** such as playing videogames, buying sports cars, or making art.

I've watched a lot of animals. And for most of them, what do they do? Eat, sleep, screw, raise kids, defend their territory, migrate, walk around trying to find a specific spot for thermoregulation, and fight. When they're not doing that, they're generally just sitting on their asses not doing a ****ing thing. When they aren't eating, pooping, sleeping, fighting, working, or ****ing, they spend the rest of their time not doing ANYTHING. Meanwhile, if someone already managed to be reproductively successful, and wants to save up money for an X-box or camera equipment that he'll use for a ****ing hobby, then good for him. He's got no problem having kids, and society gives him the luxury of doing "pointless" stuff for fun. What do you want him to do instead? Sit on his ass or wander around aimlessly like other animals?

Let me try this another way (though I'm sure it's futile); is it possible for a life to not be meaningless? Edit: By the way, you do realize that you have added no new information above, right? So the problem in my previous post still standsxaos