[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Yes and getting your hand chopped off instead of your head sounds way more appealing it doesn't make it any more a good choice.. And you seem to be confused.. The Arab states didn't reject the plans it was none of their businesses.. The Palestinains they did (as no wonder as we discussed earlier they were highly flawed) and they revolted.. This gave the Israeli's the excuse they needed to create their own country and expell are large number of palestinians.. The Arab countries only attacked when they saw the threat of their Neighbor Arab country destroyed in what they beleved to be a act of blantent imperialism.

sSubZerOo

No actually it happened a few days later..

Also it was the arab leauge and the arab national committee that rejected the plan. Arabs would even have their part of Jerusalem

That was something rejected on both sides.. And yet agian this was between teh Palestinians.. In the end they were getitng boned..

if not for the six day war, which was caused by egypt being douches and then Jordan attacking Israel in retaliation.

Jordan didn't do anything.. Egypt blockaded the Straights of Tehran.. (Hmmm sound familiar to today's situation?).. This led Israel to having the excuse to invading Egypt, Jordan and Syria.. In taking over their lands.. Its also worth to note that Israeli forces "accidentally" sank a US vessel that was keeping a eye ont he situation..

The problem being is Israel refused any kind of peace agreement in the end and began settling illegally on those lands.. There is no right side here.. Israel nor the Arab states were justified.. The only people I see justified is the Palestinains when they rebelled.. Which I find mighty hypocritical that you would not understadn this.. I am assuming yoru an american.. So you full well know know why the colonies rebelled which seem completely trivial compared to what were happening to the Palestinains.

[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Actually, I find it to be world news whenever Palestine commits an act of wrongdoing, not so much when Israel does. There is violence on both sides, and I'm not saying any of the violence is right, I think the bigger issue, though, is how to solve it. The onus for doing so is clearly on Israel as they have greater international support, a better organized military, and seem to be able to enact their will on Palestine whenever they please. If they want the violence to end theyhave to show they're willing to make concessions.

sSubZerOo

Yes and getting your hand chopped off instead of your head sounds way more appealing it doesn't make it any more a good choice.. And you seem to be confused.. The Arab states didn't reject the plans it was none of their businesses.. The Palestinains they did (as no wonder as we discussed earlier they were highly flawed) and they revolted.. This gave the Israeli's the excuse they needed to create their own country and expell are large number of palestinians.. The Arab countries only attacked when they saw the threat of their Neighbor Arab country destroyed in what they beleved to be a act of blantent imperialism.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"] why? do you honestly believe a first world nation and a failed state deserve the same level of scrutiny?theone86

You don't? Monstrosities are monstrosities.

Actually, I find it to be world news whenever Palestine commits an act of wrongdoing, not so much when Israel does. There is violence on both sides, and I'm not saying any of the violence is right, I think the bigger issue, though, is how to solve it. The onus for doing so is clearly on Israel as they have greater international support, a better organized military, and seem to be able to enact their will on Palestine whenever they please. If they want the violence to end theyhave to show they're willing to make concessions.

[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

If you actually look at the partition plan it was horribly done.. In the Jewish territories, a HUGE amount of Palestinians lived there.. And the kind of 50/50 split was grossly unfair compared to the population.. Palestinians numbered 10 times more then the Jewish.. Furthermore the Palestinian population's land was given extremely narrow strips between two, or they were falt out cut off.. This was clearly a plan put int he extreme favor of the Jews.

sSubZerOo

Actually it was more along the BRITISH predominately doing it.. And guess who had the Britian's ear on the matter? The Jewish side.. And your logic is flawed.. We can use this exact same thing with Blacks resisting the Jim Crow Law in the 50's in which when they did they were met with violence and some died.. If your suggesting they should have just taken it and gone about your way.. Then your being tremendously nieve and are not seeing it from their perspective.. The Founding Fathers went up at arms with a few new taxes and quartering British troops.. I mean what the hell were they thinking right?

In 1947, the British government withdrew from the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews.[67] The newly created United Nations approved the Partition Plan for Palestine...

So blame the UN, and in that case, yes palestine should have just accepted it. It was not creating social inequalities (like jim crow laws and racism), it was just partitioning land, and the world was an unstable place after WW2. Every decision the arabs have made since then has only hurt them more. Much of this is on their own heads, it appears to me.

If you actually look at the partition plan it was horribly done.. In the Jewish territories, a HUGE amount of Palestinians lived there.. And the kind of 50/50 split was grossly unfair compared to the population.. Palestinians numbered 10 times more then the Jewish.. Furthermore the Palestinian population's land was given extremely narrow strips between two, or they were falt out cut off.. This was clearly a plan put int he extreme favor of the Jews.

sSubZerOo

Israel has suspended settlements in the west bank before and I am willing to wager would concede them, but they wont because doing so will only give arabs more and the violence won't stop.

[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"][QUOTE="Hewkii"] Israel's goal is also control over Palestine, so it makes sense that they wouldn't do these concessions. and once again, Israel has a nasty habit of disproportionate force. like someone said earlier, you don't need an Apache to take out a school.Espada12

When they were a sovereign nation the land was separated 58/42 or something with more in favour if Israel... Palestine does have the right to get back their land that Israel has took over the years. Here's a quote that fits the military actions of both sides.

"War is the terrorism of the rich and powerful, and terrorism is the war of the poor and powerless."

If they US were attacked they would fight back with their military, the Hamas does not have this luxury, they have to resort to terrorism and guerilla warfare.

It sounds like the Arabs weren't too happy about that partition either

The newly created United Nations approved the Partition Plan for Palestine (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947, which sought to divide the country into two states—one Arab and one Jewish. Jerusalem was to be designated an international city—a corpus separatum—administered by the UN.[68]

The Jewish community accepted the plan,[69] but the Arab League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.[70] On December 1, 1947, the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a three-day strike, and Arab bands began attacking Jewish targets.[71] Jews were initially on the defensive as civil war broke out, but they gradually moved onto the offensive.[72] The Palestinian Arab economy collapsed and 250,000 Palestinian-Arabs fled or were expelled.[73]

On May 14, 1948, the day before the expiration of the British Mandate, the Jewish Agency proclaimed independence, naming the country Israel.[74] The following day, the armies of five Arab countries—Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq—attacked Israel, launching the 1948 Arab–Israeli War;[75]

[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"] Hamas will just want more and more, again because their goal is not peace, but control over Palestine. If peace was as simple as a few concessions I bet Israel would probably do it too. The problem is once they concede those points and then keep getting attacked, the international community will still be outraged by Israel having to kill more civilians to root out terrorists. Hewkii

[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"]again, what would you like Israel to do? The force may be disproportionate, but that has as much to do wit the fact that Israel has that much more force than Gaza. If you think about Hamas is probably using 100% of their potential force while if Israel did, Gaza wouldn't exist. What would you have Israel to do to stop the attacks?Hewkii