I like both songs I have heard off the new album. The only thing that annoys me a little about the 'wretches' song is it seems they are all trying to put on a fake Jamaican accent throughout. Still a decent song though.

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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Well, let's ask this question first of all: why did you want to resist these physical desires?

GabuEx

Right, but why did you care about that?

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This is how much OT has entertained me today...

I better get to that laundry behind me I guess

McainTehNub

:P That is my sleepy face silly. My O face looks ore like this...

titillating even...

Godspeed You Black Emporer. Explosions in the Sky.

Fried_Shrimp

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Well, not sure if this is OT appropriate, or in just plain bad taste, but back when I was trying to become a good Christian (at seminary) I had a problem with masturbation It was a bit of a controversial topic among the men because some thought it was okay. In my opinion, it was intrinsically linked to lust and thus a sin. Mind you, this was not an excessive amount, but I was trying to eradicate this sinful behavior entirely out of my life. When I had a desire to do it, often times I would resist, but eventually over the course of time, say a week or so, I would cave in to it. To make a long story short I spent a lot of days fasting and a lot of time in meditation and prayer to eventually be able to go a very substantial amount (say nearly a year) of time without caving to the desire. Since then I have had a paradigm shift away from organized religion and no longer see anything of the sort as a problem

I am analyzing this story right now and honestly I think it lends to your case. I was unable, despite my desire to abstain, to last any significant amount of time resisting my sexual appetite. What ultimately led to the resistance was me consciously training my brain to resist these physical desires (through fasting and meditation). However I do tend to think that my decision to perform those acts (fasting and meditation) to achieve the desired outcome (resistance to my sexual appetite) could maybe be considered free will. My conscious mind essentially was working to condition my subconscious mind to transform it into what it wanted. What do you have to say about this or how would you explain it?

GabuEx

Well, let's ask this question first of all: why did you want to resist these physical desires?

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I don't doubt at all that everything a human does has a reason, but I guess I'm only questioning when there are multiple conflicting reasons to do things. It is easy after the fact to see the reasoning behind a decision (hindsight bias), but a lot harder to predict the decision before, as I'm sure you are aware. I don't really have any idea myself, but I can say that I hope that you are wrong. I rather fancy the idea that I am not just the result of a very long, complicated formula of experiences and DNA and that there is something in me that makes my decisions which, while usually in line with those factors, can make them (when it needs to) despite all of that.

GabuEx

Have you ever found yourself in a moral dilemma? If so, what was it, and how did you resolve it?

I am analyzing this story right now and honestly I think it lends to your case. I was unable, despite my desire to abstain, to last any significant amount of time resisting my sexual appetite. What ultimately led to the resistance was me consciously training my brain to resist these physical desires (through fasting and meditation). However I do tend to think that my decision to perform those acts (fasting and meditation) to achieve the desired outcome (resistance to my sexual appetite) could maybe be considered free will. My conscious mind essentially was working to condition my subconscious mind to transform it into what it wanted. What do you have to say about this or how would you explain it?

"the music industry" is a pretty broad term. Some of it is is wonderful, some of it sucks I would say.

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How does it not describe a person in a moral dilemma? Often a person's desires can be in conflict, and at that point in time his brain enters a state of cognitive dissonance at which point it tries to determine a way to achieve both, and this will continue either until it finds a way to do so or until it reaches a conclusion regarding which it values more, at which point in time it will discard the one valued less and work towards achieving the one it values more. Moral dilemmas are no less governed by cause and effect than everyday decisions.

GabuEx

And this is determined by what. Genetics and background?

More or less, yes. I certainly don't think it's based on some sort of arbitrary and really rather ill-defined "free will". Every action a person does is done for a reason. If some entity knew everything there was to know, I have no doubt that any given human's actions would be entirely predictable.

*punches dog*ShadowJax04