[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"]Philosophies are theories, not proven facts. foxhound_fox

Proof: any factualevidence that helps to establish the truth of something; "if you have any proof for what you say, now is the time to produce it"

(that's webster's definition)

[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"]Evidence and Religion don't go together, there is no proof for any religion, only faith.foxhound_fox

Philosophies are theories, not proven facts.

Amazing how there is no actual "logic" in that passage. If only religious people would try and at least attempt to use philosophy to prove their points. Then at least they can be discussed. Just by saying "God exists because this book says he does" is not an argument it is a statement and statements are never backed up with evidence.foxhound_fox

Evidence and Religion don't go together, there is no proof for any religion, only faith.

IMO, the more education you get, the harder it is to believe in God. You learn in college (hopefully) how religions are sort of "made up."

I still believe in God though.

MOCGK

What college courses are you taking??? I know a priest who has a PHD. There is nothing disproving religion in our education system, evolution, big bang, none of that disproves God's existence.

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[QUOTE="kuenbre"]All these elements came from assortments of protons, nuetrons, and electrons. This is also why there is static discharge. What setit in motion? Gravity of course. If God created the universe in 3 days (correct me if I'm wrong I'm a little rusty on this) then why is it forever expanding?bradleybhoy

The bible says he created the world in 7 days, but I have said before I don't believe the bible is intended to be taken literally or verbatum. So once again, you're saying that protons, neutrons, and electrons are infinate? And gravity is a product of a large mass of hard substance, so you're saying that's infinate too? Please remind me how Miller's experiment proved any of this...

Well there still is no proof of "a creator". Not that I'm trying to instigate anything here I'm just saying that attempting to either prove or disprove the existence of god is, currently, a futile exercise. Believe what you will though.

Oh, I know there's no proof of either, my point is (read a few posts back) he said this experiment proved there was no God, which is not so. (I used to be Agnostic, so I understand your view completely)

All these elements came from assortments of protons, nuetrons, and electrons. This is also why there is static discharge. What setit in motion? Gravity of course. If God created the universe in 3 days (correct me if I'm wrong I'm a little rusty on this) then why is it forever expanding?kuenbre

The bible says he created the world in 7 days, but I have said before I don't believe the bible is intended to be taken literally or verbatum. So once again, you're saying that protons, neutrons, and electrons are infinate? And gravity is a product of a large mass of hard substance, so you're saying that's infinate too? Please remind me how Miller's experiment proved any of this...

This experiment was just a recreation of what was happening at random in billions of places throughout the universe after the Big Bang. Nature did this "experiment" trillions of years ago so it did exist without him.kuenbre

His experiment still doesn't prove this. His experiment required the following elements:

Water
Ammonium
Hydrogen Gas
Methane Gas
Coronal Discharges
Lightning (which was SIMULATED)
An atmosphere is required for lightning, so we'll add that.
And of course, Miller himself.

So that raises the question, where did all of these elements come from? Are they all infinate? Didn't someone or something have to create them? As for a big bang, something would have had to have set something in motion for this to start. Space particles are not infinate.