[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="-R3Vo"]I wouldn't doubt that he's racist, but I don't care, if he ever actually showed it, he wouldn't be president for long.-R3Vo

If they never act on it I don't see a difference.

We're not talking about your average joe, this guy is going to run the country- about to be the most powerful man in the world. Hardly a spot for a closet racist.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="fat_rob"] they make a Wright?fat_rob

Throwing him under the bus was a political move, nothing more.

WOW! Some people really do believe the hype.rudyroundhead

Did you watch the video? Read Rev. Wright's quotes? Have you read how connected Rev. Wright has been to Obama throughout his life? No? Didn't think so.

[QUOTE="AgileNate"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="AgileNate"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

[QUOTE="bman784"]RiSkyBiZ-13, the KKK and Hitler (Godwin's Law) analogies show that you're not really interested in maintaining a reasonable dialogue. Wright's comments are not THAT bad, at least no where near engendering comparisons of that magnitude. As I said, the arguments against Obama on this issue have really become quite hyperbolic.bman784

Yeah, people are overreacting.

And no one over-reacted to other cases such as the Don Imus one?

He said people are over-reacting. I brought up a similiar case in which was over-reacted and didnt end up so pleasant. Meaning, of course this Obama thing is going to be looked at seriously, the dude is running for president!!!

Being a white male, and proud of my country (despite it's political flaws), this is a very big thing to oppose. I'm sorry if I won't so easily wipe that slate clean. I'm not a big fan of anyone who tolerates or supports anti-white anti-American propoganda. Like I said in the original post, I don't expect to change anyone's mind. Obama supporters have been so brainwashed by the media and his own charisma that they choose to ignore things like this, I only enjoy the excuses that are thrown all over this thread.

As a white male it's not a problem for many reasons. Mainly he is not Rev. Wright. 2nd we got the great youtube clips, but the man preached there for 20-30 years, were they all that inflammatory? 3. Some of his rantings are on spot, of course he'd spew out something like blaming the US for 9/11 which dilutes the fact he made a good point earlier. You are not your preacher. I have a close relationship with mine, but I'm an Atheist who thinks the Bible is mostly a fairy tale and he knows it, you never know how many times if any Barack talked with him, to discuss their different views. Obama's no racist.btaylor2404

As a white mal, I think it's a HUGE problem. For your 1st point, Rev. White was Obama's greatest influence for 20 years. A member of the KKK is just as bad as the Grand Wizard, because they're supporting the views. Obama attending that church for 20 years shows that not only did he tolerate those anti-white, anti-American views, he supported them. For you're 2nd point, you're assuming. You're basing an opinion that maybe every comment wasn't inflammatory. Well, guess what? Adolf Hitler didn't make ALL inflamatory comments, does that make him okay? Blaming the US for 9/11 is NOT on point. Why do we make excuses for murderers? Why not say that every kid that murder their parents are not to blame, it was the parents fault? As for not knowing how many times Barack talked to Rev. White... he let the pastor marry him! If my pastor spewed hatred against race and the country, I sure as hell wouldn't let him marry my wife and I!

Rap music often portrays women as nothing more than sex objects do find that acceptable, do think women dont deserve respect?kingyotoX

Women listen to rap like crazy, I think it's hilarious. It's like blacks listening to white power music.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="delol"] You are easily depressed This is one of the most dynamic election ever in the US , especially after the 2000 one and Carl Rowedelol

Two choices.....I'm not Republican and I don't believe in many of their ideals. And I don't like Obama AT ALL.

He's not easily depressed, he obviously just doesn't unconditionally and blindly follow every potential leader in his chosen political side. It means he's intelligent, I suggest you look further into candidates than following them no matter what.

p.s. it's spelled ally.

I've seen all of the inflammatory pieces. Some of it isn't as bad as people make it seem, and is simply sharp social commentary, while some of it is clear hatred against whites. It ranges in that sense. It seems like the 20 years argument is thrown around often, but there certainly aren't twenty years worth of sermons to analyze, leading me to believe that much of the perception of this pastor is exaggerated. There is clearly more to consider than just the controversial statements; namely the spiritual aspects of the church that Obama agreed with. The pastor is clearly inflammatory, and there is certainly a question as to why Obama stayed, but given the evidence, it can't be explicitly claimed that Obama is a racist. Especially when that statement is so contrary to the views on race that he has demonstrated.bman784

You're assuming a lot simply because we don't have his 20 years of sermons recorded. Sure, these don't seem to be as bad as "people make them," crazy people and their crazy imaginations. "The US of KKK" isn't anything bad, it's totally acceptable. So are these:

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye."

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost." (Sep 2001)

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme." (2003)

"In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns." (magazine article)

"Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!…We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God." (sermon)

"Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary would never know that. Hillary ain't never been called a **** Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person."

"Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain't! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty." (sermon)

"The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism."