No, I don't believe in God. But it sounds like your guys god is a jerk.

Devil-Itachi

Some people simply insist on embarassing themselves. How about giving a reason for your view, rather than post something so blatently offensive and ignorant?

There is no way to logically prove or disprove the existance of God: Ifhe does exist he does absolutely nothing whatsoever and hence although you cant prove he exists, that is insufficient proof for him not to exist. However the fact that God makes no difference whatsoever in anybodys life is sufficient to render believing in him pointless. On the other hand, the bible serves as agenerally good source of moral guidlines, and as such acting in accordance with the moral lessons in the bible would benefit humanity in general. thisishowtowin

A decent post, except for the part where you state "God makes no difference whatsoever in anybody's life.." speak for yourself, not for everyone. God makes all the difference in my life.

When will you people realize. No matter what you do,most people who think differently then you,will try to dissprove you,and then you'll fight. No matter what you try PEOPLE are going to BELIEVE WHAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE.
Scienceblows

Last I checked, these are called 'Discussion Forums,' since when are we forced to dumb ourselves down to discuss our favorite type of potato chip, what alien object can fit up one's nose, or how often we poop? Some of us have a higher intellect and like to argue our points, we don't expect to change eachother's minds.

They killed off Jesus in the first few Genesis's. Not to mention there's "Thy wrath" this and "Reach-around" that. Also, it's the worse use of broken up stories I've read! I don't recommend the book.

Yes, I do think I'm funny and original.

dreDREb13

Get "The Message," it's the Holy Bible written in contemporary language, MUCH easier to read and understand.

Enough with the bible people.RapIsAwesome

Then don't post in a religious thread...

I'm glad you asked that question, it is the reason I am still awake at 2am.

Consider yourself and God. For God to be omnipotent, then he would have to be able to do everything, which includes, but is not limited to, seeing into the future and seeing what you are doing in your life in 5, 10 even 20 years. Correct?

If the above statement was correct in your eyes. We are forced to accept that the future is pre-determined and your life will follow a set course. If this course is already set, nothing you can do can change it. You are destined to follow the path that was set for you. Thus eliminating any choices you can make. Following me so far?

This type of pre-determined life is what philosophers call (surprisingly) Determinism. (Interestingly, this philosophy also eliminates morality and rationality but that is not the focus of thisarguement).

Suppose that God told you that you would do something great at the expense of your loved ones. You, for your own reasons, don't want to harm your loved ones, even to do this great thing that God spoke of. In order to correct this, you elect to throw yourself in front of a bus (there are worse ways to go :P). In doing this, you would cancel out your future and would do nothing great during you life. (unless you are to do that great thing from Heaven and the pain you cause your loved ones is the expense, in which case that would be a self-fufilling prophecy, but lets assume it's not) In order for the determinism mechanism to work, some deus ex machina would have to happen to stop the bus (a jet engine falling on the front a la Donnie Darko, for instance), in order for you to fufill your destiny, otherwise God will have not seen the future accurately, and is therefore not all-powerful.

Please notice that I didn't say that free will denies the existence of God, just that he cannot be all-powerful, he might be able to do everything except see into the future because of free will, but that wouldn't make him all powerful and would be an imperfection, which would raise all sorts of questions as you can imagine.

Im off to bed now, but please take the time to read, digest, reflect and post a counter arguement and/or comment.I'll trawl through the board tomorrow to findthis topic and read your reply. (This may be one of the arguements I put forth in my Philosphy exam on friday, so capitalise without mercy on any chinks you can find in my arguement :P)

Alternatively, you could comment that my explaination and example were both utter s*** and ask me to restate them :P

Chavyneebslod

Yes, God can see what we are doing in years to come, yet due to his gift and curse of Free Will, he will not intervene if we go down the wrong path. Can he? Yes. Will he? No.

Don't misquote me!

RationalAtheist

sorry lol

"God is for the weak. The only person you can trust is yourself".EboyLOL

See what I mean? (see above post)

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[QUOTE="Iantheone"]poor christians scare me, they are usually over devoted freaksquiglythegreat

Ueducated children scare me, they are usually making worthless posts in intelligent threads.

I just get frustrated to see worthless posts not backed up with any logic at all. Your posts, however much I disagree with them, are intelligent and backed up. Same is true for RationalAthiest and a few others, but these one-liners are irritating.

No, he got the genes from his mother to be in the family of David.

RationalAtheist

Again, I'll remind you that Mary was simply a vessell to bring the son of God into the world of man.