No, i'm referring to the guy saying that Sony first party is on par with Nintendo.

Going by the sales of Sony games, and then comparing them to Nintendo's, they're not on par in any way.

In what way?

2 quality franchises don't make a crown.

What matters is that the strength of the first party decides how your console does in times of hardship.

See N64, GC for how to profit and do well in lean times, and Saturn, Dreamcast for how to close up shop in lean times.

No, you got bamboozled.

Platinum Hits/Greatest Hits/Players Choice haven't actually meant 1 million sold for a while.

Since like, SNES, N64 days.

Gamecube meant 250k sold, PS1-2 meant 400k sold.

Ratchet didn't chart anywhere, and never really lit the world on fire.

Uncharted fared slightly better, but i saw a few press releases that stated Uncharted and R^C sold 1 mill to retailers, and i'd wager your house that these are the numbers Price gave.

Unless you think Uncharted and R^C were megahits in South America and Africa?

In what world did Uncharted sell a million? Or Ratchet, which never charted anywhere?

The only place where Uncharted even placed was Europe, and in a place where the numero uno titles might place at 70K, making 7-10 doesn't put you much closer to a million.

Ratchet and Uncharted sold a million to retailers, which i already covered as Sony profiting from, but with the lackluster performance of the titles in regards to consumers picking them up, do you really think the retailers are gonna order that many again?

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

And Uncharted was a big game from Sony, or at least was supposed to be.

What other biggies did they have for November and December?

Sony built their empire on the backs of those who could leave when a better deal came along.

The PS3 is the showcase that shows how much of an unsteady crutch that tactic is.

Uncharted failed in the sense that it didn't turn the tide, and it didn't even move alot of software.

122k for the month of november, with all the advertising that went into it?

It never even charted.

Europe was the saving grace of the title, and even there it never rose that high.

It shipped 1 million worldwide, and Sony profited from it, but i bet retailers won't order half as many as that come the sequel.

Same for R&C, only it did much worse.

It was a middling ps2 franchise, yet hopes were heaped that were totally unrealistic.

The figures i presented above, don't constitute selling well.

The very opposite, actually.

Selling poorly.

Their software doesn't "sell".

Ratchet, Uncharted and several other hopefuls were lined up to turn the tides, but they amounted to squat in system moving power.

And it does matter, when a platform is no longer seen as viable, for it goes the way of the dodo.

Truthfully, i couldn't give a fig, but it would hurt me immensely, unless Sony sold Team Ico to Nintendo or Microsoft before they closed their gaming development.

Never said it was doomed, but i do see this gen as possibly entrenching it in N64 territory, ie 30-40 million when the successor is released.

Only i dunno if Sony will profit as much as Nintendo did, when they were in this position.

And without the third party exclusives of last gen, or the ps1 era(MGS4 is thought to be one of the last of a dying breed), Sony needs some kind of internal hit.

They're learning what Nintendo learned in 1996.

If you can't call on a private army to secure the throne you seat, the vassals will turn and leave you open to be toppled.

Bungie might have been second party(someone else can clarify) but the Halo ip is owned by Microsoft, making it a first party bestseller.

Be it Xbox, X360, Super, N64, Gamecube or Wii, all these consoles biggest seller was a first party title.

No Sony console had the best seller as a first party title.

The best seller ever thus far in Japan for PS3 is MGS4. And it managed that in the first week.

I wish i could say that a Team Ico game was the best seller on ps2(they deserved to be by far) but it wasn't.

I say all this to ask, where does that leave Sony now?

For the prior two gens, they were the go to place for 3rd party games.

Microsoft has seen this, and by throwing cash at 3rd parties, has secured timed exclusives, or continental exclusives.

Without the unadulatered support from 3rd parties, Sony looks to it's own internal studios, but aside from GT, they've got nothing.

God of War sells well for an action game, but it doesn't touch the real juggernauts like GTA, Pokemon and the Wii Brand lineup.

At least on N64 and GC, the highest selling software was always Nintendo software. Sony can't even make that claim.