[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="alienlegion"]

Basically it was your ego that got this started. You can't understand how an intelligent person would use the Bible for the foundation of their world view. Next time maybe you won't casually assume someone is ignorant justbecasue they don't shareyour world view.

alienlegion

i dont assume your ingnorant. But using a book that is 2000 years old written by people who had no undertanding of science as a foundation of science makes no sense.

I do assume that the people who wrote the book had no understanding about how the world works but i dont expect them to.

It is a very very old book.

First, your dating of the BIble is incorrect. Evidence from carbon dating of the Dead Sea Scrolls puts the earliest written Bible at more like 2400 BCE.

Just around that time Democritus systemized atomic theory, by way of philosophy, not by scientific research.

Oh look, they found out he was right.

Which brings me to second- people living in that age had a very detailed notion of how the universe worked in various civilizations, without the aid of modern scientific techniques. There are plenty of examples, this is just one.

So you have again proved you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

I'm beginning to think that no one here made it passed the 8th grade.

The people that had a detailed notion of how the universe worked, usually had to hide it from the church... otherwise they would be considerd blasphemers and put to death, no?

GOOD, FINALLY!

I dont even particularly care for gays, but who honestly gives a damn if they want to marry? I can be racist and bigotted at times, but seriously... gay dudes wanna marry up, freaking let them. It has zero effect on me whatsoever, why the hell would i care?

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

im downloading it now, i loved playing quake team fortress back in the day.

Maybe valves ripoff will rekindle that fun.

Some-Mist

is that a separate game? a game mode? im only 66% downloaded at this point.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

M/KB has no limitations? at all? Racing games, platformers, etc? cmon, its got limitations.

And i agree whole heartedly with your 2nd point.

Remmib

Sorry, I meant in terms of buttons...I should've been more specific.

Yeah KB is no good for racing and I can definitely see it not being ideal for some adventure/platform games. I haven't run into problems yet for platforming though...though the only platforming games I have played recently have been Super Meat Boy and VVVVVV.

There is only a problem, if the game isnt balanced around what you are playing with. I played wolfenstein 3d, doom 1 and 2, rise of the triads, hexen, duke nukem 3d and quake 1 (all the big name OG FPS games)... with only a keyboard... but the games were still challenging and fun, because they were designed around a keyboard.

When the mouse became a mainstay it actually lowered the amount of buttons needed to play an fps. As you didnt need to use the bracket keys to strafe or the page up/page down keys to look up/down.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"] Naga is actually garbage for MMOs, i use the nostromo speedpad for those, because controlling WASD with a thumb is far more efficient than with 3 fingers and it frees the other ones up for spell/ability hotkeys. I bought the Naga for SC2, so i could select my control groups much easier. So more buttons i think technically gives more control options, but it doesnt make a game any better or anymore more fun. Remmib

for PC gaming the thumb is usually the laziest of digits, considered only good enough for jumping wioth the largest key, the spacebar..

I actually threw jump on my 2nd laziest digit, my pinky... be honest the pinky is a pretty big slacker for gaming.

It works out pretty well, though there is a bit of a learning curve. But i would recommoned the nostromo for any PC game that is hotkey heavy.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

Thats because games are designed around the limitations of the traditional M/KB. So if game developers started developing games around the 12 button mouse, i would be a more skilled gamer than you because i have more buttons and you dont?

Remmib

There are no limitations of M/KB.

Also re-read my post, I edited it. Just because you have more buttons it doesn't make you more skilled, it's what you do with them that makes the difference.

Just because I go out and buy better tools than a plumber doesn't mean that I am going to be any better at plumbing, see what I mean?

M/KB has no limitations? at all? Racing games, platformers, etc? cmon, its got limitations.

And i agree whole heartedly with your 2nd point.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

"Having a ton of keys is better, this is a fact."

Thats what you said, but now you are saying 2 or 3 buttons is as good as twelve?

Remmib

Let me put it to you this way.

I have every possible key I could need for any game on my keyboard + 2 sidebuttons & middle click on the mouse.

If you prefer to place those extra keys on your mouse instead, feel free, but I have no use for them as every necessary action is already bound to the keyboard.

If I played StarCraft 2 I might be singing a different tune, as I don't know what extra keys or shortcuts can be used that you'd benefit by binding to those extra 12 buttons. Also, I would like the Naga when playing an MMO, for sure, but I don't currently.

Naga is actually garbage for MMOs, i use the nostromo speedpad for those, because controlling WASD with a thumb is far more efficient than with 3 fingers and it frees the other ones up for spell/ability hotkeys. I bought the Naga for SC2, so i could select my control groups much easier.

So more buttons i think technically gives more control options, but it doesnt make a game any better or anymore more fun.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

"Having a ton of keys is better, this is a fact."

Thats what you said, but now you are saying 2 or 3 buttons is as good as twelve?

Remmib

Let me put it to you this way.

I have every possible key I could need for any game on my keyboard + 2 sidebuttons & middle click on the mouse.

If you prefer to place those extra keys on your mouse instead, feel free, but I have no use for them as every necessary action is already bound to the keyboard.

Thats because games are designed around the limitations of the traditional M/KB. So if game developers started developing games around the 12 button mouse, i would be a more skilled gamer than you because i have more buttons and you dont?

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

having a ton of keys is better, if the other option is less keys... i much prefer a controller though... because that same philosophy is the reason i own this mouse...

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I assume you got the same one if you think more buttons = better :P

Otherwise your mouse is factually worse than mine ;)

Remmib

No, I think more buttons for my left hand is better. I have no need for a thousand buttons on my mouse as I am not playing an MMO at the moment.

I went with the Mamba because I wanted a wireless mouse, on top of that I loved it's shape. I have only ever needed 2 side buttons max for my mouse, although 3 wouldn't hurt. I absolutely would never use 12.

"Having a ton of keys is better, this is a fact."

Thats what you said, but now you are saying 2 or 3 buttons is as good as twelve? If you are saying 2 or 3 buttons can take the place of twelve, sounds like a good arguement for a controller vs a keyboard.

[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]My whole argument was about ergonomics. Having a controller in your hand with buttons where your fingers naturally sit is much more comfortable than having a flat pad of buttons, 5 fingers to press them with, and having to manipulate your hand in awkward ways to press the ones you need to. I don't think you can really suggest otherwise. Having a ton of keys to press doesn't help in action games where you need to make quick use of them and easily move from one to another.Remmib

My desk has an arm rest where my arm sits and my hand lays comfortably supported on my keyboard, however right this second I am sitting at my same computer desk playing on 360 and that is indeed comfortable too.

Having a ton of keys is better, this is a fact. I have about 21 keys that I can easily reach and which positions are commited to memory. This many keys allows me to many more things much faster than you can do on a controller.

having a ton of keys is better, if the other option is less keys... i much prefer a controller though... because that same philosophy is the reason i own this mouse...

I assume you got the same one if you think more buttons = better :P

Otherwise your mouse is factually worse than mine ;)