Well, it's obvious to me, but different people=different views, so it's not to a lot of people.

Let's look at this a different way. 

1) In every sport, even wrestling, the champ is still the champ until he is beaten.  Now, "People's Champ" is more of an idea than a physical title, but I believe it still applies.  Until someone comes along that makes us say "This guy is more electrifying than The Rock", Rocky is still the champ. 

2) People's Champ.  People's Champ.  Champion of the People.  If the people stop recognizing him as "The People's Champ", then he no longer is.  And from the looks of this thread, it's leaning that way.

Actually, back in WCW, wasn't DDP called the people's champ?

wallymartin

hmmm,i asked you how it was obvious the rock still cared,not how its still obvious hes the peoples champion,and for the "people",its too close to call from a few guys on a forum,im talking about the "millions",and most do think that atleast rock has sold them out in some way.

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fans are benefited everywhere when he mentions his past,because they feel appreciated,and entertained,

talk to the millions of fans who supported you,show us some kind of way that you still care and remember us,wallymartin

You contradicted yourself here.  That is exactly what Rock does.

And you said kakkarott's view was biased, too.  Looks unbiased to me.

im confused,how did i contradict myself?

You say that it benefits the fans when he talks about his past because it shows that he still cares about them.  Then you say that Rock needs to show that he still cares, but he already does that.

And on a different note, Rock shouldn't have to care about his wrestling fans.  Why did Rock become a wrestler in the first place?  Was it to get fans?  Of course not.  It was to follow in his family's footsteps and become a wrestler. 

uh, no matter what any wrestler says (even JBL), the main reason they keep going out there every night is to put on a great show for the fans. the fans make the wrestling go round. u may not believe me when you watch WWE, but buy some ROH dvds and u'll know what i mean.

But he's not going out there any more, is he?  He doesn't have to care about the fans anymore (Obviously he still does, but he doesn't have to)

"(Obviously he still does, but he doesn't have to)",please explain to me how him caring about the wwe fans is "obvious".even the most rock wwe fan cant say his loyalty to the fans is "obvious"

By obviously I meant that I had already made that point.  And I didn't say he was loyal to the fans(if he was loyal he would still be wrestling), I said he still cares about them. 

ok,but i still dont see how its "obvious" that he "cares" about the wwe fans,how in any way is it obvious?

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fans are benefited everywhere when he mentions his past,because they feel appreciated,and entertained,

talk to the millions of fans who supported you,show us some kind of way that you still care and remember us,wallymartin

You contradicted yourself here.  That is exactly what Rock does.

And you said kakkarott's view was biased, too.  Looks unbiased to me.

im confused,how did i contradict myself?

You say that it benefits the fans when he talks about his past because it shows that he still cares about them.  Then you say that Rock needs to show that he still cares, but he already does that.

And on a different note, Rock shouldn't have to care about his wrestling fans.  Why did Rock become a wrestler in the first place?  Was it to get fans?  Of course not.  It was to follow in his family's footsteps and become a wrestler. 

uh, no matter what any wrestler says (even JBL), the main reason they keep going out there every night is to put on a great show for the fans. the fans make the wrestling go round. u may not believe me when you watch WWE, but buy some ROH dvds and u'll know what i mean.

But he's not going out there any more, is he?  He doesn't have to care about the fans anymore (Obviously he still does, but he doesn't have to)

"(Obviously he still does, but he doesn't have to)",please explain to me how him caring about the wwe fans is "obvious".even the most rock wwe fan cant say his loyalty to the fans is "obvious"

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fans are benefited everywhere when he mentions his past,because they feel appreciated,and entertained,

talk to the millions of fans who supported you,show us some kind of way that you still care and remember us,wallymartin

You contradicted yourself here.  That is exactly what Rock does.

And you said kakkarott's view was biased, too.  Looks unbiased to me.

im confused,how did i contradict myself?

You say that it benefits the fans when he talks about his past because it shows that he still cares about them.  Then you say that Rock needs to show that he still cares, but he already does that.

And on a different note, Rock shouldn't have to care about his wrestling fans.  Why did Rock become a wrestler in the first place?  Was it to get fans?  Of course not.  It was to follow in his family's footsteps and become a wrestler. 

what?he already does that?yea,your right,WHEN HES PLUGGING A MOVIE,thats it,wow ,we should feel real special,NOT

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fans are benefited everywhere when he mentions his past,because they feel appreciated,and entertained,

talk to the millions of fans who supported you,show us some kind of way that you still care and remember us,StarOne1

You contradicted yourself here.  That is exactly what Rock does.

And you said kakkarott's view was biased, too.  Looks unbiased to me.

im confused,how did i contradict myself?

he only does it when hes plugging a movie.

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fans are benefited everywhere when he mentions his past,because they feel appreciated,and entertained,

talk to the millions of fans who supported you,show us some kind of way that you still care and remember us,wallymartin

You contradicted yourself here.  That is exactly what Rock does.

And you said kakkarott's view was biased, too.  Looks unbiased to me.

im confused,how did i contradict myself?

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One, I would not give up my job for a bunch of people who in reality don't care two cents about him. You say he should not do his job because he is misleading people? How are we being mislead? How are the fans being screwed by what he is doing? The only sell outs I see are the people who cheer for the man in the ring then ridicule him for going beyond the ring. He doesn't wrestler anymore so what. He has made a new life for him and his family which is most important.

Your argument against him comes of as a spoild person complaining through a break up. "Oh you don't want to be with me anymore but yet you want to be friends? I hate you so either we stay togther or we never see each other again" This is getting a bit childish. The Rock still doing his old gimmicks shows he does still care for the fans and that is how he shows it. If he didn't still throw out his old stuff then he would be saying this is all beneath me.

Then you say "why does he not talk about the WWE in interviews?". Who goes around and talks about a company you parted away on sort of bad terms with? If people ask them about WWE he will answer but he isn't going on different shows to promote WWE. "Well why would the WWE want to renew his contract if he does nothing for them" They didn't renew it because they couldn't get money from his movies anymore and I am sure he bought the name from vince. There was talk already that he was going to use his real name anyway. Vince saw that he could only now make money off of Rock's appearances and not his movies anymore. So that is most likely why his contract wasn't renewed.

The Rock is the "People's Champ" and always will be.

kakkarott23

oh god,you keep makng my points for me,you said it yourself, "now make money off of Rock's appearances and not his movies anymore",why would he pay a wrestler to make apperances,this is wwe not a talk show,wrestle or get the f out,i see if he was physically unable to,but hes young,why pay a guy to grab a mike,oh please.second,when you say " The Rock still doing his old gimmicks shows he does still care for the fans and that is how he shows it",thats not true,if it was,then why do he only do it when hes promoting a movie,why not any other time,if he really cared for the fans,he could still bring up his past,not to help the wwe,but to show his fans he still cares for him,but do he,NO,he only does it when it benefits him,plain and simple. with all due respect,you all can keep trying to protect him,but ill keep on being able to prove my point,because in the end,im right.

-Ok, I thought this was actually begining to be a real conversation but instead it is a childish argument about someone feeling shafted. Wrestling is not his life and no one expects it to be. The reason The Rock was on WWe.com is because of the damn Doom promotion that is running. This all or nothing attitude you are showing is rediculous.

"why would he pay a wrestler to make apperances,this is wwe not a talk show,wrestle or get the f out,i see if he was physically unable to,but hes young,why pay a guy to grab a mike,oh please."

-The Rock isn't paid to wrestle there anymore by the choice of WWE not renewing his contract. Why should he show up and wrestle if he doesn't have a contract. He was fine working a part time schedule with them but thy didn't want that. They do so many different advertisments online it isn't funny. So advertisments come in the form of a generic trailer. Others are specific to a group or audience.

-If The Rock is on Leno to promote "Why people should come and see Doom" and he only has like 5 minutes why should he promote the WWE? Is it a movie about wrestling? Is he there to promote his acting ability? The Rock is in an industry so many other wrestlers have failed in. He wants to be seen as an actor while he is there not just some wrestler doing movies.

"NO,he only does it when it benefits him,plain and simple. with all due respect,you all can keep trying to protect him,but ill keep on being able to prove my point,because in the end,im right."

-This is such a childish statement it isn't funny. How does what they do in the WWE benefit me? When Cena wins the title do I get a check? When people chant "you suck" am I getting a car? This is entertainment plan and simple. In the end they are going out there and doing what they do for themselves. This is how a capitalistic society works. It was a job to him and now he moved on. Why are you so bitter? Do you not understand marketing, captialism,  and free speech?

-I respect your right to an opinion but I wish there wasn't so much bias in it.

one thing,i respect your opinion too,but yours is also bias.second,my feelings arent hurt,the wwe doesnt need the rock,niether do i.first off you act like he was in wrestling and suddenly the wwe cut ties from him,thats wrong,he hadnt wrestled a one on one match in years,thats why they didnt renew it,if he was still being the rock of 02-03 then you can bet he would still be under contract,but rock didnt do anything but talk on a mike.rock wanted it all,he wanted the cushy wwe contract plus do whatever he want in hollywood,bottomline is rock act as if he couldnt choose between the two so they chose for him,bye bye rocky.second,on to the whole "it doesnt benefit you",thats bull,unlike what the world believe ITS NOT ALL ABOUT MONEY,fans are benefited everywhere when he mentions his past,because they feel appreciated,and entertained,to hell with advertising for the wwe,talk to the millions of fans who supported you,show us some kind of way that you still care and remember us,people cant help but feel insulted that the only time we see "the peoples rock" is when hes plugging something on wwe time,its shameless.

I would first off, start with a feud with Shelton Benjamin and RVD. The two would be fighting at Wrestlemania in a tables match for the IC title.

At Wrestlemania 22, right at the end of the match, RVD will be standing on the top turnbuckle. Shelton has just caught him off guard and is about to put RVD through a T-Bone Suplex in the top turnbuckle. All of a sudden, CM Punk comes comes along and delivers a chair shot to the ref, who obviously is now out cold.

Shelton then comes off the turnbuckle to face Punk who delivers a chair shot to Punk. Then, CM Punk gives RVD the Pepsi Plunge through the table costing RVD the match and title. The ref gets up an awards Shelton Benjamin the title where from the ring, he stares down Punk whos is walking backwards facing him up the entrance ramp. RVD staggers and gets back up only to stare down Punk as well.

The next night on Raw, RVD asks Punk out to a hardcore match. To solve their disputes. Punk comes out claiming that " There is no way that RVD is going to face Cookis and Milk Punk, one on one in a match like that." Shelton Benjamin then comes out and states that "one way or another, RVD will get his revenge." Thats when a tag match is agreed with Punk looking for a partner.

He finds that partner, who is none other than Triple H. HHH claims that "no matter how modified, CM Punk still stole his finisher and only because I don't want to gain ring rust, am I gonna wrestle with you." he also hints a possible match between the two.

During that tag match, Kane interferes by attacking HHH, causing DQ. (this is because Kane and HHH are feuding over the WWE Championship.)

Next week, CM Punk is to be set with a match of a hardcore legend. RVD says that if he can't get his vengeance, then some of his fellow ECWer's will. None other than Tazz comes out and the match takes place. With the crowd really going for this one, Tazz all of a sudden, is attempting to grab CM Punk for the Tazzmission. Yet CM Punk, before the hold is locked in, reverses it into a Russian leg sweep and locks in the Anaconda Vice. Tazz taps out.

Shelton Benjamin after is about to have a match will Val Venis. CM Punk interferes by springboard clotheslining Val Venis costing Shelton the match. He confesses the night that happened at Wrestlemania saying that he needed to be recognised. He says that "it's ok for the people of Louisville, Kentucky to like me but Crazy Mo'Fo Punk needs the World." Shelton Benjamin states that "no-one in the world is gonna recognise you with actions like that." a Triple Threat match for the IC title is announced at Backlash. RVD then comes out saying that he wishes to continue his ECW revenge on Punk by announcing that WWE have booked Mike Awesome and Lance Storm in a 2 on 1 match the RAW before Wrestlemania.

On that RAW, RVD and Shelton have a warm up match only to be interfered by CM Punk. Punk is runing up the ramp towards the ring to seemingly attack the two when HHH comes out of the crowd and nails Punk with the Pedigree. HHH walks down the ramp. In Punk's 2 on 1 match with Mike Awesome and Lance Storm, Punk is calling out HHH to come a fight with them, thinking that he won't. He goes on the mock Triple H's entrance by goign to the edge of the ring and doing his water spitting entrance trademark. HHH grabs onto his hair. and pulls him over for the match to begin. HHH, Storm and Awesome win the match.

At Backlash, mostly through out the match, they team up on Punk and after about 20 minutes he is left hurting on the outside of the ring. RVD and Shelton face each other with the crowd hopefully buzzing where they face each other off. They battle each other only to cancel out each other's moves. Yet, after a while RVD begins to pick up offense. He does a spinning heel kick, a rollin thunder and a runnign cartwheel into a moonsault. Punk then recreates Wrestlemania again by bringing in a chair and hitting the referee. He instead, goes and hits RVD with it, only for RVD to do a VanDaminator on Punk and goes for the 5 Star Frog Splash with the chair in his hands while doing so. He throws the chair away, gets the cover and become the new Intercontinental Champion.

inferno-gaa

hmmmm,im not sure if thats a pretty good storyline there,i mean,everyone doesnt know who this guy is,and he debut with such big storylines,i mean you have to introduce him to the wwe crowd first,i for one never heard of him(all i watch is wwe,and tna like once a month).most of my friends doesnt know who he is,so he cant debut with something like this,because i know for a fact,that there will be people asking,"huh,what the?whats going on"

One, I would not give up my job for a bunch of people who in reality don't care two cents about him. You say he should not do his job because he is misleading people? How are we being mislead? How are the fans being screwed by what he is doing? The only sell outs I see are the people who cheer for the man in the ring then ridicule him for going beyond the ring. He doesn't wrestler anymore so what. He has made a new life for him and his family which is most important.

Your argument against him comes of as a spoild person complaining through a break up. "Oh you don't want to be with me anymore but yet you want to be friends? I hate you so either we stay togther or we never see each other again" This is getting a bit childish. The Rock still doing his old gimmicks shows he does still care for the fans and that is how he shows it. If he didn't still throw out his old stuff then he would be saying this is all beneath me.

Then you say "why does he not talk about the WWE in interviews?". Who goes around and talks about a company you parted away on sort of bad terms with? If people ask them about WWE he will answer but he isn't going on different shows to promote WWE. "Well why would the WWE want to renew his contract if he does nothing for them" They didn't renew it because they couldn't get money from his movies anymore and I am sure he bought the name from vince. There was talk already that he was going to use his real name anyway. Vince saw that he could only now make money off of Rock's appearances and not his movies anymore. So that is most likely why his contract wasn't renewed.

The Rock is the "People's Champ" and always will be.

kakkarott23

oh god,you keep makng my points for me,you said it yourself, "now make money off of Rock's appearances and not his movies anymore",why would he pay a wrestler to make apperances,this is wwe not a talk show,wrestle or get the f out,i see if he was physically unable to,but hes young,why pay a guy to grab a mike,oh please.second,when you say " The Rock still doing his old gimmicks shows he does still care for the fans and that is how he shows it",thats not true,if it was,then why do he only do it when hes promoting a movie,why not any other time,if he really cared for the fans,he could still bring up his past,not to help the wwe,but to show his fans he still cares for him,but do he,NO,he only does it when it benefits him,plain and simple. with all due respect,you all can keep trying to protect him,but ill keep on being able to prove my point,because in the end,im right.