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#1 Stavrogin_
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"Four corners of the Earth" (to take an example) is an English phrase. Do you know for certain that this is an EXACT translation, and not just an approximation?dsmccracken
Very well, i stand corrected. I'll just focus on "Isaiah 40:22- It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And it's inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in." and "8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)"

Also i'll see if i can find the verse where it's stated that the Earth rests on pillars.

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...none of which explicitly says "Yo, peeps... the Earth, she is flat." in fact, getting "The Earth is flat" out of any of that is a pretty big stretchOrkHammer007
Then please explain how an Earth that's not flat has an end. No, scratch that, please explain to me how is it possible to see the whole Earth from the highest mountain if the Earth is not flat. Please explain to me how the verse that says the Earth is a cicrle and the heavens are spread like a TENT means it's NOT a flat Earth? All those verses suggest a flat Earth and that's what people believed back then, so i find it somewhat funny that when it was discovered and proven that the Earth is not flat, some believers stepped forward saying "well yeah, no, god didn't mean that."...

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[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You haven't shown me any mistakes though....read my edit.LJS9502_basic
I mentioned a pretty obvious one. Bible says the Earth is flat. The Earth is not flat. God is wrong. So?

Show me scripture that says God stated the earth was flat...

Isaiah 40:22- It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And it's inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)
Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)
Matthew 4:8

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)

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You haven't shown me any mistakes though....read my edit.LJS9502_basic
I mentioned a pretty obvious one. Bible says the Earth is flat. The Earth is not flat. God is wrong. So?
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It's called bias. That alone is enough reason for me to ignore that website.alexside1
Every contradiction has a bible verse cited bellow, but hey, if you wish to remain blind, well that's your choice.
If you break down the Bible.....some parts are logistical, historical, and legal in the case of the OT. As for what the bible is....written by men, inspired by God to teach a message. Not all parts are relative to that however.LJS9502_basic
The bible was written by men inspired by god. So, the bible is the word of god. It's pretty simple. Therefore, any mistake is a mistake made by god who's supposed to be all-knowing and all-powerful and yet his knowledge is limited to what people knew back then. My explanation is rather obvious, people made up god in order to explain things that could've not been explained back then and the bible is just a book full of myths and primitive understandings of the world. But i want to know how do you, a christian, justify the mistakes allegedly made by god?

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#6 Stavrogin_
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[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]*link* I didn't. That's what christians believe.

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Wait..... what..... EVILBIBLE? :lol: I don't trust that website anymore than the "answersingensis" website. Your under a false assumption that every christian believes in the same exact thing.

You people dazzle me. So what if the link is named evilbible, you can open your bible and check for yourself if the contradiction mentioned is there rather than discrediting it solely on domain name. But of course, that's the easier way isn't it?
the bible was written by men....LJS9502_basic
But the bible is the word of god, at least that's what christians believe. Are you a christian or an atheist?
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The Soviets would have lost without the U.S.KC_Hokie
And your main argument is the supplies. However you seem to forget that the supplies were neither the only nor the most important contributing factor in the rise of production. Anyway this argument is pointless, so are all "what if this happened and what if that happened" arguments n my opinion,, because neither point can't be disproven because it never happened. We can argue forever about how the US or the USSR might have or might have not lost or won and it seems we will never agree on anything, so i'll just stop and end it here.
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Considering I have no idea to what he's referring to....his post was vague. LJS9502_basic
Well then, that's your fault, not mine. Here is a list of bible contradictions Link 1 and Link 2. For example, the bible says the earth is flat. The earth is not flat, ergo god is wrong. How do you justify this?
How do you arrive this conclusionalexside1
I didn't. That's what christians believe.

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How were U.S. supplies not decisive. Soviet production and GDP were on the decline until 1943. The agricultural parts of the Soviet Union were either captured or in the middle of war zones. The would have starved without us.

And part of the reason why the U.S. declared war on the Germans after being attacked by the Japanese was to aid the Soviets.

So that doesn't change the notion the Soviets would be speaking German now without the U.S. aiding them early in the war starting nearly a year before we were even at war.

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Because they were not the only (and the most important for that matter) contributing factor in the rise of production! Furthermore, the US did not start a war in order to help the Soviets, that's just made up. The US and the USSR were never friends because of different ideologies (capitalism vs communism). Also, like i said before, the official language of the US might've have been German if it weren't for the Russians. I can't conceive how the war could have been won if the main fighting force of the Germans wasn't destroyed on the Eastern front. So, your statement that the Soviets needed the US but it wasn't the other way around is just false.

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#10 Stavrogin_
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That's a bit vague. What do you expect Christians to do with that?LJS9502_basic
You want me to be more concise? No problem.

1. God is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.

2. The bible is the word of god.

3. The bible has mistakes and contradictions.

Question: How do you justify this and continue to believe?