Both 22nm is what neogaf have said.

Can't remember what I paid for it (traded my old one in at game, the suckers did not even check it, yeah I know it's bad...but game make enough money I'm sure they won't mind).

As for the problem, well I put a game disk in, it clunks for a few seconds then just sits there saying no disc in drive. Don't bother me, I just download dem games.

Game UK, watch out boys I'm comming in to trade another dodgy console..;)

I lost my first 360 due to RROD, got a new one and it's been fine since, well not entirely the DVD drive is buggered, hail downloadable games.

Maybe, I just want to know what dem crafty devs are using that compression and esram for...tell me devs, please enlighten me....

Hmm, very true. It's games at the end of the day.

I dunno when I look at the launch titles there appears to be more mmo open world games announced on XBO than PS4, dead rising 3, Titan fall, sunset over drive even forza is using the azure services.

This is not to say that Sony will not make a killer MMO exclusive and leave me crying in the corner but at the moment the games are telling the story for me. I hope I'm right or this could be one big **** up.

This is true, to a certain extent. It's obvious the ps4 is more powerful but by how much in practical terms, we will just have to wait and see.

Remember the XBO also houses esram and hardware compression move engines, it has yet to be discovered whether this will benifit XBO's performance or infact hinder it.

Cheers man.

Well I am a PC gamer first and console gamer second so I am leaning towards XBO. Simple because I love MMO type games, can't get enough of them. With MS having the upper hand with data centres etc it seems like the logical choice for me.

Also I have banana fingers and I looking at that XBO controller and thinking, yes.

Agreed, I am not saying the ps4 is gonna be faultless, it's just all the Sony goods I own are made of a decent quality and rarely break.

However the ps4 is small and is housing some very hot parts, lets hope they done some extensive quality testing.

It's a valid concern but we are talking Sony here, there hardware is normally top notch. Not taking anything away from nintendo a hardware team but....

I think that was a patent MS filed a while ago, I don't think this has been confirmed though.