I've only read the opening post, yet I'm going to summarize this thread:

PC will have more votes. PC voters will be very vocal about their opinion, and will be acting all indignant over the fact that some people even could prefer consoles over the PC. Some people will point out the obvious fact that this threas has been done before once or twice.. or more.

NielsNL

Thread in a nutshell.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="Nintendonly"]

How is saving you the troubleof F5ing MajorNelson.com wasting your time?Nintendonly

In other words, you have yourself to blame, then.

Oh, and now since you want to start something, I hope you realize that the Gears of War IP is not Microsoft's, and Epic Games will be making it multiplatform after GeoW3.

Stop making a fool out of yourself (hahaha). Epic never said that, and I bet your balls it ain't going to remove Microsoft's exclusivity over it.

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

Yes, by citing arguments about finances it makes your argument subjective (sorry, didn't mean it to sound like how I phrased that)

Game to game - better on PC

System to system - better PC

Controls to controls - better PC

Hence, the objective argument. Your argument is subjective, as you say (despite the controls being more precise on PC) that you STILL prefer Wii controls. That is subjective, vs an objective reality that PC controls are better (at controlling).

haberman13

Can't deny that the benefit/cost ratio is a heavy argument when I'm convincing people that the price of a PC doesn't justify its benefits.

Game to game - Subjective. Consoles have exclusives, as does the PC, so there's no definite way to judge.

System to system - regarding what? Raw Power? Yes. The PC has more raw power. Good for him.

Controls to controls - Subjective. I personally prefer the 360 Pad or the Wii Remote, but you, for instance, seemingly prefer a keyboard mouse combo.

Hence, the lack of an objective argument. The only thing you have there is that the PC has more raw power, inherent from its higher cost. Doesn't mean it'll always use this to its fullest, although it does, from time to time.

OK folks, going to have to get into the nitty gritty:

A mouse has an almost 1:1 movement - cursor relationship, a controller doesn't - that makes mouse better at "controlling" objectively

Game to game - BC2 PC vs BC2 console; PC is clearly better

System to System - PC does everything, consoles can play games in low resolution; PC is clearly better

If you aren't arguing those points then OBJECTIVELY PC is better. SUBJECTIVELY you may like the controller for comfort for example, but its still worse at "controlling".

Finances are SUBJECTIVE, a millionare doesn't see $1000 the same way someone on welfare sees it, hence that should be scrapped as an argument; it is inherently subjective.

So you see, PC is objectively a better gaming machine.

Read the post. I'm going to disregard it, though, since all you did is copy what you already said and what I already replied. If you think that a sniper being able to do a full 360 turn in 0.2s is "better", your definition of the word is incorrect.

In any case, what I want to ask is: do you think console games look bad? Take, for instance, Uncharted 2, Mass Effect 2 and Gears of War 2: do you think they look bad, performing on consoles?

Yet another Nintendonly thread in his crusade to prove to himself that he doesn't want a 360! Get a PS3 and get outta here, m'boy!

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

If you can find me one link of a second-hand Xbox360/PS3, that is working correctly, below the price of 100$, i will eat this ciggarete i'm holding. I'm not joking, i swear.

But you got a point.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

okay, but that link isn't a viable argument because those are used parts.

I think $500 is a fantastic starting point for a first time pc builder. the rig I have now (my first) is $680.

but yeah the people who say that don't know what they're talking about.

topgunmv

I agree, 500 bucks is a excelent start for a mid range PC. I saw many deals around my town myself, not used parts.

Pics please :)

http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/vgm/2232430368.html

Uh-oh! I want pics of you sliding the cigar in and pics of it in your mouth.

Handhelds shouldn't be your cherry if you want good graphics.

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

This is the PERFECT replacement for a keyboard, if you don't like the positioning. Been using this and this:

Combined, there is no equivalent.

You have proven that subjectively you like consoles more, I'll drop the argument.

oldkingallant

Oh, wow. *I* have proven subjectively? I OBJECTIVELY like consoles more. For f***'s sake, I said it like ten times. And then I said why, and you ignored the reasons. You replied to ONE of the reasons, and I still rather have an ergonomic controller than a Mouse + Pad combo.

If anything, you're the one who's trying to prove objectively that the PC is better, and instead you're only showing that subjectively you'll always prefer the PC.

I partially agree with this, my problem being that even if you use console peripherals on a PC, you'll be handicapped when compared to the mouse, which responds quicker (remembering that aiming as fast as possible isn't necessarily something I consider good). The PC does have more options -- hardly enough to make it much different from either HD console, or to justify its price tag. Just saying.

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

Oh, wow. *I* have proven subjectively? I OBJECTIVELY like consoles more. For f***'s sake, I said it like ten times. And then I said why, and you ignored the reasons. You replied to ONE of the reasons, and I still rather have an ergonomic controller than a Mouse + Pad combo.

If anything, you're the one who's trying to prove objectively that the PC is better, and instead you're only showing that subjectively you'll always prefer the PC.

haberman13

Yes, by citing arguments about finances it makes your argument subjective (sorry, didn't mean it to sound like how I phrased that)

Game to game - better on PC

System to system - better PC

Controls to controls - better PC

Hence, the objective argument. Your argument is subjective, as you say (despite the controls being more precise on PC) that you STILL prefer Wii controls. That is subjective, vs an objective reality that PC controls are better (at controlling).

Can't deny that the benefit/cost ratio is a heavy argument when I'm convincing people that the price of a PC doesn't justify its benefits.

Game to game - Subjective. Consoles have exclusives, as does the PC, so there's no definite way to judge.

System to system - regarding what? Raw Power? Yes. The PC has more raw power. Good for him.

Controls to controls - Subjective. I personally prefer the 360 Pad or the Wii Remote, but you, for instance, seemingly prefer a keyboard mouse combo.

Hence, the lack of an objective argument. The only thing you have there is that the PC has more raw power, inherent from its higher cost. Doesn't mean it'll always use this to its fullest, although it does, from time to time.

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

If its a financial argument consoles win hands down.

If its a "gaming machine argument" PC wins hands down.

Finances are irrelevant to me, so my determination is based on gaming.

I own a Wii, it's fun, but objectively speaking (removing the rose tinted Wii-love glasses) PC is vastly superior as a gaming machine.

Wii controls aren't at PS3/360 level of badness, but its certainly no mouse.

haberman13

I have to disagree. As an owner of all (well, recently sold the 360) systems, handhelds included, the PC isn't what I consider as the vastly superior gaming machine. It could be, if you ignored TC's request to disconsider graphics, but then it'd be that: superior graphics, higher resolution.

Finances are also very relevant to me. Having a job that doesn't give me rivers of money, I'd rather be able to do something other than game, and buying a top-notch PC, HERE (with emphasis on the fact that building a PC here comes at an absurd cost), would restrict me on that matter for a few weeks.

As far as the mouse goes, I dislike it. You have to play from a table, and games with a mouse usually come with the worse peripheral: the keyboard. Yes, the one that excessive use leads to acquiring Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and other physical ailments, and that severely limits your positioning/comfort during gaming. In my opinion, as long as I'm competing with people using the same peripherals, I'd rather play with a Controller.

The PC isn't a vastly superior gaming machine. It offers the possibility to have top-notch graphics, albeit at a high cost, and does have a lot of customization and a healthy community to help its users, but has all the unwanted hassle and restrictions from gaming on a desktop.

But this is my opinion. If dressing yours as an "Objective Reply" (and not as just another contestable opinion) helps you sleep at night, be my guest.

This is the PERFECT replacement for a keyboard, if you don't like the positioning. Been using this and this:

Combined, there is no equivalent.

You have proven that subjectively you like consoles more.

So its a games argument, how about this: CoD on Wii vs Cod on PC ---- much better controls, larger community, faster servers, more skilled opponents.

You financial argument is irrefutable, but again, that makes your opinion more SUBJECTIVE because you have a personal limitation getting in the way of objectivity.

Nice post-quote edit, btw. In any case, I'm not financially limited. My PC's a beast, and I still game less on it than I do on consoles.

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

If its a financial argument consoles win hands down.

If its a "gaming machine argument" PC wins hands down.

Finances are irrelevant to me, so my determination is based on gaming.

I own a Wii, it's fun, but objectively speaking (removing the rose tinted Wii-love glasses) PC is vastly superior as a gaming machine.

Wii controls aren't at PS3/360 level of badness, but its certainly no mouse.

haberman13

I have to disagree. As an owner of all (well, recently sold the 360) systems, handhelds included, the PC isn't what I consider as the vastly superior gaming machine. It could be, if you ignored TC's request to disconsider graphics, but then it'd be that: superior graphics, higher resolution.

Finances are also very relevant to me. Having a job that doesn't give me rivers of money, I'd rather be able to do something other than game, and buying a top-notch PC, HERE (with emphasis on the fact that building a PC here comes at an absurd cost), would restrict me on that matter for a few weeks.

As far as the mouse goes, I dislike it. You have to play from a table, and games with a mouse usually come with the worse peripheral: the keyboard. Yes, the one that excessive use leads to acquiring Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and other physical ailments, and that severely limits your positioning/comfort during gaming. In my opinion, as long as I'm competing with people using the same peripherals, I'd rather play with a Controller.

The PC isn't a vastly superior gaming machine. It offers the possibility to have top-notch graphics, albeit at a high cost, and does have a lot of customization and a healthy community to help its users, but has all the unwanted hassle and restrictions from gaming on a desktop.

But this is my opinion. If dressing yours as an "Objective Reply" (and not as just another contestable opinion) helps you sleep at night, be my guest.

This is the PERFECT replacement for a keyboard, if you don't like the positioning. Been using this and this:

Combined, there is no equivalent.

You have proven that subjectively you like consoles more, I'll drop the argument.

Oh, wow. *I* have proven subjectively? I OBJECTIVELY like consoles more. For f***'s sake, I said it like ten times. And then I said why, and you ignored the reasons. You replied to ONE of the reasons, and I still rather have an ergonomic controller than a Mouse + Pad combo.

If anything, you're the one who's trying to prove objectively that the PC is better, and instead you're only showing that subjectively you'll always prefer the PC.