@btk2k2: them are benchmarks for launch titles yes but then you have to include time you got to work with the whole system and you and I know x1 system wasn't finalized until late August and AMD catalysis drives didn't come out until November and drivers to take advange of the embedded RAM this month so to me them are not really benchmarks and I wish yall really stop trying to say that its a hassle to put gddr5 in PC if they want to THEY MAKE TO RULES AND THEN SHOVE THE SHIT TO YOU that means if they though if was MORE EFFICIENT OR BETTER THAN WHAT THEY ARE USING NOW it would change that's why THEY DID PUT GDDR5 in GPUs because in was better for the TASK GDDR5 is NOT BETTER OR MORE EFFICIENT FOR THE CPU. folks Im not trying to argue with you I have lived on this earth long enough and at a job everyday where they make these decisions we are talking about right now THEY tell you that you have to go through the loops for the GDDR5 for system ram because if you say anything NEGATIVE you are stepping on someone in the industry foot or may burn a bridge or two and you don't want to do that in any industry.

@CrownKingArthur: there are none that's why its a problem to the CPU you have to make drivers for that arch and its still not going to be 100% efficient. like I said good luck with that lol

that lag I hope they fix that before yall pay for them old ass games again lol sony is making sure they get all their money this time they are not bullshitting go SONY make them pay for GOW, uncharted, R&C, and the rest of the old games atleast 4 times lol

that first statement is not true at all I've build plenty of pcs from regular desktops to gaming pcs and its common sense you don't use gddr5 for CPU task because while its great at doing heavy tasks it has a problem doing to small things that needed for the CPU. EVERY APU that's being used right now and coming out this year none of them are using ps4 APU why? They are all using ddr3 for cpu task if the ps4 was so advanced and so great Im sure AMD, NIVIDIA, and VALVE would have followed, sony cut corners tried to save money, you can deny it and yes I know how much gddr5 cost but it would cost more to put 3 different memory in a console than just putting one kind of RAM. Im not talking about benchmarks for a cpu because that not PS4 whole system it don't shows how it pertain to the ps4 arch.

@btk2k2: how you gonna tell me to formulate an argument when Im the one whos making it and I got an AA in computer science and a couple of certs, I think I know alil about hardware and theres something that's slowing the CPU of the ps4 down making them having to use the GPU for CPU computes its not bandwidth because CPU gets bandwidth first so it has to be the RAM theres not one launch game on the ps4 with a steady or consistent fps except the indie game resogun. Keep telling yourselves that bullshit but I know what I see.

Also the smartest people you considered a genius be HIGH on something FYI lol

I see you all sitting back saying the cloud is not possible, its never going to work, how do you know? NVIDIA GRID is doing whole games with just 109 gpus together streaming from ENGLAND to CALI, THESE ARE WHOLE GAMES PEOPLE I think you all really need to check out their videos on the GRID and then tell me offloading is not possible on the cloud. MS is doing moving forward with the rest of the industry and sony still playing catchup.

@acp_45: Thank you Ive been trying to tell this guy TORM for the longest that he needs to read more. Hopefully he will shut up and read outside of system wars.

@theshensolidus: You still on that BS? You are worse than misterxmedia at least he have evidence to back up his claims but you talk like you are a dev but you never come here with no real news, no update, no real info so shut the hell up and keep it moving homie.

BOTH dildo and FFL yall are said but DIldo you take the cake this what you do work think about system wars WOW get a life buddy they are selling around me like hotcakes sold the one I got for Christmas sold for 600 easily.