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Not the government, army officials, and historians who agreed it was the best thing to do...and did it, and things turned out well (for the US). Well, I think I'll go with those guys, because their opinions fit better with my preconceived notions.

LJS9502_basic

I find this bias comment ironic. Since I didn't respond to your last post a few pages back, here it is:

Yes, of course the cold war came after ww2. Sometimes I wonder if you just say this type of thing to be offensive rather than actually try to prove a point...You keep going on about facts but you ignore what is right in front of your eyes. Do you honestly think that when we dropped the bombs we weren't thinking in the back of our minds that it would also intimidate the soviets? They were also in the race to get the bomb. If the Western Allies proved to the world that they did indeed posses nuclear capability, then they could have demanded more from the peace treaty ending the war, as their trump card would have forced the Soviets to yeild some ground. I really hat having to spell myself out three times in one thread.

As for casualties in war- yes, unavoidable, but how can you justify the strategic bombing of both Germany and Japan? It was shock and awe, if nothing else, to beat the enemy's civilian population into submission. The US tried to do daylight bombings of Germany early on, but since bomber losses were so great they decided to just do night raids, which were in turn innacurate and hit civilian targets. Dresden, for example, was completely leveled, and Hiroshima came soon after. In both these cases, the civilians were the targets. I have no objection with calling strategic bombing as war crime, but once again, history is written by the victors.

This is why you stay clear of NYC

Put the care into a storage facility:P

I will also say that I find people of both extremes annoying. On the one hand I have a friend who only sees movies in the theatres (so he only sees new movies), on the other hand there are the stuffy, pretentious movie critics whose lists of the best films of all time are all pre 1960s (say for the Godfather). Most of these critics say that All Quiet on the Western Front was the best movie of all time, and while it was ok, the best of al time? Give me a break.

And in twenty years we will be looking back at the late 20th/early 21st century as a golden age of filmaking... people just like to be "vintage". I for one love the classics of course, especially Kurosawa and Sergio Leone, but I can also appreciate newer films. We forget that all decades have their duds, which are quicly forgotten, and only the greats are remembered, while as today both a fresh in our minds. That is why we always trash today's movies/music.

My crush (who is two years older than me) said you're like a little brother to me. Its like 10 times worse than getting friend zoned. lonewolf604

Had that happen to me once. WORST moment of my life. Yeah I don't get why once a girl gets to know a guy pretty well as a friend, she will never consider him as a romantic avenue, while for guys they're pretty felxible either way. Something having to do with the hormonal wiring i guess.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And since you have no evidence to the contrary....I'm not buying the conspiracy theory.LJS9502_basic

It is fact, two other reasons we dropped the bombs was to intimidate Russia and to test the effect of radiation on humans. That was why Hiroshima and Nagasaki were largely spared by the firebombombing campaign, even though Hiroshima was home to a pretty sizeable military base. As for keeping tabs on survivors... yea, that is nothing more than consipracy.

Were the bombs terrorism? I would say no, you can't use definitions verbatum. They were atrocious acts, as was all strategic bombing of the second world war, but were within the bounds of war, not domestic terrosism. I would say that all bombing of civilian centers are war crimes, but then again history is writtten by the victor.

Did you read the guy's quote who you were responding to? :| Once again, it is fact. Middle schoole textbooks teach that another motive for the bombs was to intimidate Russia (Yeah, of course it was teh Soviet Union but for convinience sake I just said Russia). Not to mention that it is pretty obvious, you don't need to even be party educated in cold war politics to know this. The two cities were largely preserved from the firbombing campaign so that the effect of the atomic bombs could be testes in full. Once again, fact.I really don't see what you are trying to accomplish by denying this. Are you so intent on preserving the US's imgage as the ultimate good that you will ignore some of our more selfish agendas?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The bombs were dropped to end the war. No need to editorialize your opinion as fact.LJS9502_basic

Sure it was, but it was also dropped for the reasons I stated above. It was not all done for the noblest of intentions. You're saying that Russia was not a motive? That we weren't curious how nuclear weapons affected people then, and now (they are still keeping tabs on survivors). No offense meant, but to say that they were dropped simply "to end the war" and nothing else is disingenuous and incredibly naive.

It is fact, two other reasons we dropped the bombs was to intimidate Russia and to test the effect of radiation on humans. That was why Hiroshima and Nagasaki were largely spared by the firebombombing campaign, even though Hiroshima was home to a pretty sizeable military base. As for keeping tabs on survivors... yea, that is nothing more than consipracy.

Were the bombs terrorism? I would say no, you can't use definitions verbatum. They were atrocious acts, as was all strategic bombing of the second world war, but were within the bounds of war, not domestic terrosism. I would say that all bombing of civilian centers are war crimes, but then again history is writtten by the victor.

I've always been confused as to what point it becomes a migraine rather than just a really bad headache. I always feel if I say to someone I have a headache they don't take me seriously as if it's something I can brush off. Anyway, I don't think I've had many (if any at all) migranesOverlord93

It become a migraine when you motor skills are pretty much eliminated. At least for me.

I havn't had one for a few years, but today I had a pretty bad one. Mine a pretty freaky actually- I can tell that it is about to happen a few hours beforei t does, because my vision gows bad (i can't read), and in the worst of it, I cannot even talk- I cannot get the words out and end up speaking gibberish. Pretty weird. That of course is ignoring the pain in your head, which is pretty hard to ignore. My only escape is to throw up then nap for a few hours, but today I couldn't and so was dry-heaving the whole day. Had to miss some pretty important classes, so all in all this has been one of the worst ones I've ever had. Anyone else have and interesting symptoms/stories?