[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="wiifan001"] God doesn't draw himself through scientific evidence. Search the Lord's existence through scientific evidence is a very bad idea. :o

ChampionoChumps

So we should base policy making on something which we cannot prove exists say for the fact that we cannot disprove it? :lol:

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No I'd not call them a bigot. I'd say they were prejudiced against homosexuals.

LJS9502_basic

But I am not prejudiced against homophobes, I just don't respect their opinion. They are entitled to have it, but they can't use it to justify harming someone else

I never said it wasn't.

But intolerance of an opinion is much different than intolerance of a group of people.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No you are confusing racism with bigotry.

From Dictionary.com...bigotry

stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

Racism is the belief in one's races superiority.

LJS9502_basic

Then what would you call a person who despises homosexuals and beleieves that they are sub human? Not a racist, you'd call them a bigot. Racism is a form of bigotry. The same hate can be applied to any group, not just another race. In any case, I have never been one for taking definitions verbatum. The implications of words are often different than their dictionary definitions.

But I am not prejudiced against homophobes, I just don't respect their opinion. They are entitled to have it, but they can't use it to justify harming someone else

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

No, everyone belives that their opinion is right. If you are going to definebigotry that way, then you reduce it to a meaningless word which everyone is guilty of. Bigotry is the belief that oneself is inherently superior to someone else. You're probably thinking "but in that case, they think that their opinion is right, thus my definition of bigotry is correct" well no, because the "type" of opinion (for lack of a better phrase) matters; if I, for example, think that God must exist and that there is no way that my opinion is wrong, that does not make me a bigot. If I were to go and and say "people who do not believe are stupid and inferior thinkers" then that would be bigotry.

LJS9502_basic

Normally I would, but since they are harming someone else I don't think so. Not as long as gay marriage is illegal, that is. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but as soon as that opinion starts harming others they have crossed the line and must be fought.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Bigotry is the belief that one's opinions are right and other opinions are wrong.:|ChampionoChumps

No, everyone belives that their opinion is right. If you are going to definebigotry that way, then you reduce it to a meaningless word which everyone is guilty of. Bigotry is the belief that oneself is inherently superior to someone else. You're probably thinking "but in that case, they think that their opinion is right, thus my definition of bigotry is correct" well no, because the "type" of opinion (for lack of a better phrase) matters; if I, for example, think that God must exist and that there is no way that my opinion is wrong, that does not make me a bigot. If I were to go and and say "people who do not believe are stupid and inferior thinkers" then that would be bigotry.

I never said I didn't like them. I said I have no respect for that certain opinion. If anything, I feel sorry that they are so blinded and full of hate.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Bigotry is the belief that one's opinions are right and other opinions are wrong.:|LJS9502_basic

No, everyone belives that their opinion is right. If you are going to definebigotry that way, then you reduce it to a meaningless word which everyone is guilty of. Bigotry is the belief that oneself is inherently superior to someone else. You're probably thinking "but in that case, they think that their opinion is right, thus my definition of bigotry is correct" well no, because the "type" of opinion (for lack of a better phrase) matters; if I, for example, think that God must exist and that there is no way that my opinion is wrong, that does not make me a bigot. If I were to go and and say "people who do not believe are stupid and inferior thinkers" then that would be bigotry.

From Dictionary.com...bigotry

stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

Racism is the belief in one's races superiority.

Then what would you call a person who despises homosexuals and beleieves that they are sub human? Not a racist, you'd call them a bigot. Racism is a form of bigotry. The same hate can be applied to any group, not just another race. In any case, I have never been one for taking definitions verbatum. The implications of words are often different than their dictionary definitions.

I don't dislike homosexual people.

I however strongly disagree with what they are doing.

Over time, species tend to get better adapted to their enviromment and become increasingly efficient at surviving.

However an homosexual way of life, given how our specie biologically functions is very detrimental.

Its a non-sustainable way of life and its basically something that you'd never see surviving extremely long periods of time out in the nature.

OrangeTabbyCat

All animals have some percentage of their population that is homosexual. (bats, I believe, have the highest homosexuality rates). So is it detrimental when a person decides not to have kids? Would you force them to propogate? Besides, I don't think that the human population needs any more growth anyway.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I find this a bit ironic actually. You chastise people for their opinion that is anti a group and then you post the same type of opinion toward another group.:?LJS9502_basic

I'm not refusing them civil rights. I am merely saying that there is nothing supporting their opinion but bigotry, and we can all agree that bigotry is detrimental.

No, everyone belives that their opinion is right. If you are going to definebigotry that way, then you reduce it to a meaningless word which everyone is guilty of. Bigotry is the belief that oneself is inherently superior to someone else. You're probably thinking "but in that case, they think that their opinion is right, thus my definition of bigotry is correct" well no, because the "type" of opinion (for lack of a better phrase) matters; if I, for example, think that God must exist and that there is no way that my opinion is wrong, that does not make me a bigot. If I were to go and and say "people who do not believe are stupid and inferior thinkers" then that would be bigotry.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="QWERTYCommander"] Just because homophobia is part of their "moral or religious beliefs" doesn't mean it's right. Hitler did what he did because of his religious beliefs. Should we take that into account too?LJS9502_basic

Good point here. Who is to say that the religious beleifs themselves aren't ignorant and uneducated? :shock:

The one political view that I absolutely without exception do not respect is that of the anti-gay crowd. I am usually a very understanding person and respect other's opinions, but denying civil rights to others just because they are not like you or because your religious dogma tells you to? It's just really sick.

I'm not refusing them civil rights. I am merely saying that there is nothing supporting their opinion but bigotry, and we can all agree that bigotry is detrimental.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="wiifan001"] It doesn't matter if you believe in a God or not, because there is anyway whether you want to believe or not. And God has commandments. wiifan001

Not sure if joking...

hopefully.

Well I can't argue against your beleif in God, so this is a dead end debate. All I can say is seperation of church and state, in which case your beleif in God should not have any effect on policy making. Thus same-sex marriage should be legal.