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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Sure, there's no reason outside him breaking Federal and perhaps State Laws to boot...ad1x2

Hmm and what if said laws are immoral?

What one person may think is immoral another person may think is necessary. It's widely accepted that we don't tolerate illegal immigration because it undermines the thousands of people who try to legally come over here every day. If we just decide to legalize every single illegal immigrant today all it will probably do is encourage millions more to flood in for a chance to be legalized. The US may have some financial problems right now but it's not bad enough that people won't want to come here anymore.

This whole "immigrants steal jobs and undermine national security" idea is a myth. We lose a lot more through trying to secure the borders and deport people... Here is Arizona we spent an attrocious amount on border security. All of it is a waste. Most immigrants are hard working people who will contribute greatly to the economy. Many will probably bring up the drug cartels that come here as well, but of course we would still combat them. Legalizing all immigration is not legalizing violent cartels.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]No reason to deport the man...Stevo_the_gamer

Hmm and what if said laws are immoral?

[QUOTE="XilePrincess"]If people actually vote her president, the term "stupid Americans" will no longer be a derogatory insult, it'll be a fact. Seriously, she's stupid, hateful, a bigot and it's undeniable she would RUIN the USA further than any Obama or Bush ever could. I cannot see ONE good thing about this woman.mrmusicman247

She's worse than Palin because she actually has a shot at office...

Pictured; American history. That's right folks, it's NOT just slaves getting whipped and sad Native Americans being forced to march hundreds of miles

Cave Johnson, we're done here

Verge_6

Wait, so are you denying the more gruesome parts of American history? Sure all countries have shameful pasts but Americans try to gloss over ours.

How can you say they don't exist for sure? Just because there is no evidence to refute that doesn't mean that assumption is justified.

Jagged3dge

I think they are referring to the whole UFO and the governmnet covering them up conspiracies. In that case, they are definitely right.

It seems like half the time I post anything someone jumps on it and it starts some two hour debate, often regarding some trivial aspect and we almost always ignore my original point. Other times I am alone debating againstfive otehr users...but I'm used to being a minority.maybe it's just the way I say things? :?

Not impressed.

Alter_Echo

That is a load of bull. Mexican girls always have pretty huge knockers.

I voted Yay. I'm tired of evolution getting rammed down our throats. It's just as bad as "forcing creation on everybody" only worse because this brand of indoctrination is considered legal, and we can't have Creation taught in public schools - even as an option - because we wouldn't want to "offend" anybody.

The-Apostle

Save the creationism for church. Seriously. School is for scientific theory, church is for whatever the hell you want to believe. Do we shove math theorems down people's throats? Since only a minority actually believes in creationsism, why the hell should kids be taught it? Why should we favor the Christian version over the scientific one? I think that people should know what creationists belive, but in now way should it be taught as fact. In any case, science teachers don't present evolution as fact (it is one of the more touchy subjects), they just say that it is the most likely explanation for the time being. If evidence were to present itself that contradicts evolution, then scientists would change the theory accordingly. That is the problem with creationism- no matter how many ways you prove it false people will still claim it ot be true based only off of blind faith.

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[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"]I'm not going to argue for a "moral imperative" since obviously morals aren't universal, but generally speaking, most people no matter their moral system have a hard time being ok with atrocities committed by their country. If you want to argue whether they were "atrocities" or not that's your business, but from where I am standing it's pretty clear. I'll agree that his wording...bothers me. To think of it, "embarrassed" isn't quite the right word (and it isn't accurate in what I said in this thread tbh), and infers that somehow you as an american are connected with the awful events that have occurred. That's like expecting a German to apologize for Hitler if they had nothing to do with the era or the events.majoras_wrath

Pretty much this.

I thought it was... if not he was just being a smart *alec*

I think that the time frame is part of the problem. On the one hand, you are saying that 20 years is a LONG time ago, yet the topic at hand is a discussion about the overall climate of a planet that is +/- 5 billion years old. Warming and cooling has been going on forever, yet suddenly everyone is absolutely, positively convinced that some of our modern inventions are the root cause of it. No question. Not the factors that were responsible for all of the other changes in the past, for some reason, THIS time, it's ALL because of us.

Planet_Pluto

We pump billions of tons of CO2 into the air every year, and have been doing so since the industrial age. The environment is in a very delicate balance- there are natural fluctuations in temperatures every few centuries, but CO2 output is always counterbalanced by the oxygen output of living organisms. In the past, these fluctuations were sometimes caused by major volcanic events, and resulted in years or decades of abnormal weather. However, the average temperature of the globe has spiked over the past few decades. It is not how hot it has become that is worrying- it is how fast.Here inArizona the avergae temperature rose 2 degrees from 2000 to 2010. That is huge. It does not help that humans have logged the vast majority of the world's forests, whose oxygen would have helped offset CO2...

In the end, you cannot prove global warming. However, it is scientifically backed and is a very likely threat. We can choose to ignore it, and maybe nothing will happen. It is far more likely, though, that by the end of the century the world is wracked by famine, drought, and general chaos. You can;t just choose to not belive in something because you don't like the result (or more likely, because you don't want to align with a more liberal opinion)