[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

care to explain why that is?

QuistisTrepe_

Fat chance of that happening with QT_. S/he is the eternal opposition, a true contrarian.

This coming from you of all people in off-topic.:lol: Today's word of the day kids is I-R-O-N-Y.

CD_Rom already pointed out why. Both companies jacked windows/GUI OS concept from Xerox.

Bah. You always propose arguments against whatever a OP posts. It's weird cause usually I don't see you in Conservative threads, but in the Liberal ones you're always around swinging a battle ax even when the discussion is lite... ;)

Regardless of the Xerox accusations, Apple and Microsoft still have been up to various things. The Metro Design Language has got to be the best interface I've used. Apple well...they makesolid hardware, however lackluster, but their only real innovation OS-wiselately was the original iPhone back in '07.

EDIT: To comment on your edit, to be frank I don't like Apple products much at all, so not just no, but hell no the iPod was no where near innovative. It just had seductive advertising that works it's magic over non-techies....

[QUOTE="After_Math"][QUOTE="dercoo"]

I would say Apple, as Microsoft seems to be have been playing OS catch up(and copy) since Vista.

Microsoft leaves its innovation to the 3rd parties

dercoo

It just copied allot of the features and looks of OSX

What? How the hell did WP7,Microsoft's mobile OS, copy anything from OS X?

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Neither. Anyone who argues otherwise, is wrong.

Phaze-Two

care to explain why that is?

Fat chance of that happening with QT_. S/he is the eternal opposition, a true contrarian.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Neither OS is really innovating anymore. Theyare just improving over the previous version.

Omni-Wrath

Yep. And Microsoft is realeasing new Windows too quickly now.

They're still on their once every three years schedule. How are they releasing too quickly?

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

There isn't a historical account that squares with tax cuts unleashing an sort of massive spending by business. There has been a decade of massive tax cuts (that have produced an anemic revenue stream) that amounted in no huge job creation at all. Why cut more when it isn't working?

airshocker

We haven't cut enough where it counts. Small businesses need the tax cuts more than big businesses. Everyone knows this. If we close the loopholes and set a top rate of 20%, we're going to get more revenue,. Some massive corporations aren't even paying 10%! I don't see the downside in giving our small businesses the means to grow, at all.

Well there needs to be a clear, defining line between whatqualifies a small business and what qualifies as a large corporation, otherwise S Corps (known as pass-throughs) will again dodge taxes. I don't mind giving to real small businesses, hell that would personallybe incredibly benefitial to my family, however I don't want huge billion dollar corporations taking advantage of programs/funds specifically set aside for small businesses.

If we eliminate Agribusiness subsidies and some of the defense spendingand cash those out for a permanent small business focused program (yes a small business Entitlement) that consists of either low-interest loans, tax credits, etc we'd have someactual bipartisan mojo going here, but the effort/pressure to deny President Obama a win weighs too heavily for them to do much anything other than gum up the works....

Hm...I would say Apple. I do like Microsoft, but they need to stop charging 100 bucks for a standard edition.

airshocker

Well to be fair Microsoft does a ton more to ensure compatibility with the thousands upon thousands of device drivers that get loaded on their OS. Apple doesn't build an OS for other OEMs to load on their machines thus there is less device capatibility to work on.

As far as innovation, I say that Microsoft has become a real winner under Ballmer. The new Metro interface for Windows 8 that gives you the option of your classic desktop as well has sold me that they are working really hard to create an appealling versitile product that works well with touch or KB/M.

Apple, however, adds minute features (and it some cases takes them away :P) and it is called innovations now-a-days. They have solid products but honestly since the original iPhone things have been more of the same than different.

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

This crash is definitely acombination of the two issues (EU debt and US political obstinance) but I can definitely tell you that Business isn't afraid of the President. They've been getting their way on most issues, with the only bit of uncertainty is the nuances of the PPACA as it comes into effect.

airshocker

Business is. It's one of the reasons why they aren't spending their profits. I guarantee you, if we saw a drop in the marginal tax rates for all business, while closing the loopholes, we'd see an increase in revenue and an increase in growth. Unfortunately we're only talking about one.

There isn't a historical account that squares with tax cuts unleashing an sort of massive spending by business. There has been a decade of massive tax cuts (that have produced an anemic revenue stream) that amounted in no huge job creation at all. Why cut more when it isn't working?

Windows 8 and a new Windows Phone update (Mango)are coming soon. Apple's "new" iPhone 5 is producing the usual rumor mill and their new version of OS X "Lion"is out.

Out of their Mobile and Desktop offerings, who is doing the best with the talent on hand?

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

Man airshocker, did it not feel great when the markets were rebounding under Obama and D-Majority in the House? Did it not upset you in the least when the Tea Party Republicans disrupted the market and the economyfor no good reason other than expensive political shots?

I'm sorry but business was terrified by what the Republicans in the House were doing. Your investments suffered for it, yet you would reward them?

airshocker

If business was terrified of what was going on with the debt deal, this crash would have happened during it, not after. This crashed was caused by the European debt crisis, not us. Else our treasury bonds would have reflected the skittishness.

Business is terrified of the President.

This crash is definitely acombination of the two issues (EU debt and US political obstinance) but IMO Business isn't afraid of the President. They've been getting their way on most issues, with the only bit of uncertainty is the nuances of the PPACA as it comes into effect.

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

Sorry TC, not really seeing how relying on government comes across as a strength...

Vari3ty

Yeah, two programs that I pay into right now so I can use them later really doesn't make sense...oh wait...

Why don't you refuse to use programs your taxes pay forand see how strong you are for it? Hell it might even put some hair on your chest. Me? I believe in government that can provide for its elderly, poor, and sick people. Call me crazy.

And me? I prefer to not pay into a program that in the future will probably not even exist because of lack of funds...

Hell if you cap the amount that can be taxed for SS and keep other revenues weak as hell when the mythical"job-creators" aren't creating jobs in America of course people will talk about it going "broke". But you have to remember, SS was ingreat shapeuntil elected officials conveniently decided to start borrowing from the program.

The program will not be there for you if you don't support measures to sustain it, and honestly Republicans will never try tostrengthen any of the Entitlements. Raise taxes on millionaires and eliminate corporateloopholes and subsidies that costus billions in tax expendaturesand be amazed how the programs are suddenly sustainable.