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I'll give you credit to your other ones listed, but Taker vs HHH? It's only slightly better than their Wrestlemania 27 bout. The in-ring story is great, granted. The core wrestling aspect is not so great at all however. It's full of repetition, sleeping, while riding mainly on finishers. How you can say this match is better than a match like Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker, is completely off to me. At least that match had great in-ring story, great wrestling and you actually felt the impact of the finishers when they did come. While Triple H vs Taker has a great in-ring story, it's a dud in terms of wrestling and having both competitors sleeping whenever possible. Don't get me started on how boring it is watching the exact same chair-shots being done throughout most of the match.

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Let me ask you a question - how do you define "core wrestling"? I'd really like to know, because every mechanic that makes a great match was executed flawlessly in HHH/Taker for the same reasons as in every HBK/Taker match.

A good wrestling match isn't about how many moves you do or how many armlocks you put on somebody. If that were the case, then the wrestling business wouldn't have made it as long as it has over the past century. It's about emotion and the only way you achieve that emotion is by doing what makes sense in the given circumstance. Even before it became more about showmanship and drama with the storylines, angles, promos, and gimmicks, the concept of pro wrestling was ALWAYS built on psychology, facials, body language, and good sound exection of manuevers and holds. Even in the days of the carnies and hookers of the early 90's, the goal was to make people believe what they were seeing was real or at least suspend their disbelief, and the only way to do that is by doing what's logical or most strategic. Once you've got the crowd, you've got heat. Once you've got heat, you can create all kinds of drama.

Now granted, the wrestling business in North America has changed over the past century. Kayfabe is pretty much a thing of the past and now it's become a business purely of making people suspend their disbelief. Stoylines and angles have become an intergral part of the business, which is both a plus and a detriment. The plus is that with angles and storylines, depending on how their executed, can contribute greatly to the execution of a great match. The detriment is that has lessened the credibility of the business and sometimes can be harder for workers to get a match over. What made HHH/Taker so 5 star worthy was that it encompassed all of this. It built on the drama and heat from their last encounter. It built on the humiliation of Taker having to be walked out of the arena the year prior after being dismantled by HHH, depsite Taker winning the match. It built on HHH being older, more worn down, but determined to not just end Taker's streak but to beat Taker himself and dismantle him for good. The addition of HBK as the guest referee ended up being a genius booking move that added even more drama. HBK had history with both competitors and only a couple short years prior was retired by Taker. Both Taker and HHH were aged and worn down. HBK respected both men despite past differences and had both their physical well being's laying on his conscience the whole match. His facial emotions told the whole story. The chair shots, finishers, and utter brutality only demonstrated that this rivalry had transcended a simple clash of guys wanting to outdo each other. Taker and HHH above all else ultimately told the one story that's in every match - they both wanted to win. And they came to a point where they were pulling out all stops to do just that. The facials and body language of Taker and HHH also told this story. And if you don't believe me, just listen to the crowd during the match. They were absolutely HOOKED and eating out of the palms of HHH and Taker's hands. Every near fall was believable and a few times it seemed like the streak was actually going to end. And then the conclusion. After several tombstones, Taker beats HHH.... but all 3 men, 3 peers of a bygone era, one of whom retired, the other two in the twilight of their careers, all hugged and walked out together. It was the end of an era. In the end, they all respected each other.

So when you say that it wasn't technically sound, im confused, because all the basic fundamentals of a 5 star classic were there.

I'd define 'core wrestling' as the actual wrestling itself. Otherwise, it just ends up being two people in the ring being emotional without really doing much of anything.

I believe from your response that you watch wrestling for the 'soap-opera' rather than the art of the actual wrestling itself. People found wrestlers like Hogan 'boring' after a while, and no amount of 'Brother' talks can change that all he had was one aspect of wrestling. An aspect that doesn't effect the 'core' of any given match. People like Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart, rose through the bland 'drama types', because people noticed how damn entertaining they were to watch in the ring. Not because of their 'story-stuff' which was an element not given any time at all. Just the fact that these two can perform art in the ring. I can argue that some of the best matches of all time had the crowd 'forget' about who was heel and who was face, because the art they were performing in the ring was just so damn amazing that it didn't matter who was the bad guy, or what the story was. All that the crowd knew, was that they were watching something special.

I remember everyone complaining that the build up to this match was horrible. Just 'end of an era' this, and 'end of an era' that. It was a match built from a good match that also relied on many boring elements that stopped it from being as great as it could have been. We all knew that Shawn Michaels actually took Taker to his limits physically and emotionally in their matches beforehand. Which is why Triple H and Taker had to use cheap tactics at trying to make their matches seem better. Like doing about a million of their finishers, not because it added any kind of substance to the match, but because they didn't really know what else to do to top Michaels matches. They forgot that it was the fact that the Michaels/Taker matches did EVERY aspect amazingly and not just relied on one single aspect. Again, if you are happy watching about a thousand chair-shots, then good for you. That in no way makes a great match though. Taker and HHH got the story down and that is about it, apart from it feeling like a Wrestlemania 'spectacle'. A 5 star match should do EVERYTHING as perfectly as possible, and not just one element. Otherwise, like I said, you're just watching two people who obviously can't do much of anything else except in looking weak and sad. If you want to talk about crowds eating out of hands, then Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker at Wrestlemania 25 hooked everyone way more than Taker/HHH did. Do you know why? That match had every element done to perfection. Not two people pretending like they are doing lots, but two people literally putting an amazing effort and putting on a damn good match. Unlike Triple H vs Taker, which only has the story done to perfection. When it's clear they would rather be repetitive than engaging in the 'core' aspect of it all. Taker and Triple H only had one element done really well, and if they focused on more than that then yes, it would have been 5 stars.

Ask anyone in the business and they will tell you that it's all about telling a convincing story within the context of a wreslting match. A good worker does everything for a reason. There are no such things as "restholds", "transitions", or "stalling". That's all a load of horse**** propagated by people who don't know what they're talking about.

Lol, dude, are you a diabetic? Is your vision blurry? Because if you had read the entire message before replying to it, you would definitely know i dont watch wrestling for the "soap opera". Point in fact, i stopped watching WWE regularly in 2006 for that exact reason. The product had become a complete sophmoric joke and had been that way for years. Once Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit died and Kurt Angle left, there wasn't much of a reason to watch anymore. Even the good talent that was left was constantly misused or put on the backburner for guys i didnt particularly care for like John Cena, Batista, and Randy Orton. Couple that with horrible booking and i was just done. I only watch occasionally for CM Punk. The wrestling i watch regularly that i strongly suggest to anyone else out there looking for some good entertainment is Chikara Pro, Evolve, or Dragon Gate USA.

Everything i mentioned above in my previous post IS the art of wrestling. If you want a bunch of stunts or people doing moves for the sake of doing moves, you're better off with X-Sports/X-Games, Jackass, or the Faces of Death.

While i definitely agree that Hogan was one dimensional and not the greatest worker in the ring, your character, personality, thinking, strategy, and execution is what helps makes the match. Everyone in wrestling plays a role, even as far back as Lou Thesz. Even before heels and babyfaces , a worker's role contributed to a match in terms of what he's doing and why he's doing it. The two workers then develop strategies against each others strategies. Sometimes it gets personal and sometimes it doesn't. Workers have their own moves that they do frequently. The bigger guys are usually doing moves like chokeslams, gorilla presses, poerslams, etc. The smaller guys are doing more aerial manuevers. And then you have the amateur guys/hookers who usually try to beat their opponents with various submission holds. Whatever made sense for who they were .And those roles that the workers portray in the ring (and the ones that are usually successful are the ones that are an extension of the worker's own personality and thinking) are what help get the match over and create dynamic stories within the match. Of course, rhw role playing and gimmicks over the years became more hammy and in your face, which as i said above was both a good and a bad thing. But at the core, wrestling is all about what you're doing, why you're doing it, and how you're doing it. As far as Hogan goes, while he wasn't a great standalone worker in the traditional sense, and while most of his matches weren't 5 star classics with deep storytelling, he was still a good worker in the sense that he could portrary a convincing babyface in the ring. All he needed was the right heel and you have instant box office. Same with Dusty Rhodes. Rhodes wasn't that great of a stand alone worker either, but he was still considered a good worker due to his ability to convincingly portrary a role in the ring that the crowd could connect with. At the end of the day, that is what wrestling North America is all about. It's what it's been about as far back as the 50's.

Can't say i completely disagree with any of your comments about HBK and Bret Hart, but as said above, in true wrestling, there's storytelling in EVERY match. That's how the business is supposed to work. Its not about guys getting in there doing holds for the sake of holds. That's part of the reason why the business is so bastardized now. What made Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels so great is that their matches were deeply told with no wasted motion. For example, Bret Hart would wear down guys with holds and focus on the back so they would submit to the sharpshooter, and logically his opponent would try to avoid that and not go toe to toe with Bret mat wrestling unless they had equal mat prowess liek Chris Beoit, but rather try to brawl with him. Shawn was very aerial and would rely on his agility in addition to his skills on the mat to beat opponents. In addition to that, he wasn't afraid to take risks. That is the art of wrestling. Telling stories within the context of a match that make sense based on who the wrestlers are, because THAT is what will make a crowd interested. If HHH did hurrcurranas or tried to be a hooker like Lou Thesz, he wouldn't have gotten over because that's not HIM. HHH is a brawling ass kicker with some technical prowess. That is the role he portrayed and that in addition to his skills on the mic is why he got over. That's how almost EVERY successful worker gets over.

Again, storytelling and the actual wrestling are the same thing. It's a show, dude. It's entertainment. Always has been and always will be. Only difference between wrestling and a regular TV show is that it's real athletes pretending to put on an epic match in front of a live audience. Wrestling is its own animal and always will be. If you weren't entertained by HHH/Taker HIAC, then that's fine. You don't have to like it. But to say it's not a good match because of guys "sleeping through it" or "alot of chairshots" is just plain incorrect. In a good match, everything is calculated and on point. The chairshots made sense. The resting made sense. You try going in there for even 15 minutes and tell me you wouldn't be worn out. The x factor in all of this is that the genie is out of the bottle and everyone knows wrestling is fake. If kayfabe still existed, we wouldn't be frusturated over mythical "restholds" simply because we'd be too caught up in the drama of fight.

I'll give you credit to your other ones listed, but Taker vs HHH? It's only slightly better than their Wrestlemania 27 bout. The in-ring story is great, granted. The core wrestling aspect is not so great at all however. It's full of repetition, sleeping, while riding mainly on finishers. How you can say this match is better than a match like Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker, is completely off to me. At least that match had great in-ring story, great wrestling and you actually felt the impact of the finishers when they did come. While Triple H vs Taker has a great in-ring story, it's a dud in terms of wrestling and having both competitors sleeping whenever possible. Don't get me started on how boring it is watching the exact same chair-shots being done throughout most of the match.

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Let me ask you a question - how do you define "core wrestling"? I'd really like to know, because every mechanic that makes a great match was executed flawlessly in HHH/Taker for the same reasons as in every HBK/Taker match.

A good wrestling match isn't about how many moves you do or how many armlocks you put on somebody. If that were the case, then the wrestling business wouldn't have made it as long as it has over the past century. It's about emotion and the only way you achieve that emotion is by doing what makes sense in the given circumstance. Even before it became more about showmanship and drama with the storylines, angles, promos, and gimmicks, the concept of pro wrestling was ALWAYS built on psychology, facials, body language, and good sound exection of manuevers and holds. Even in the days of the carnies and hookers of the early 90's, the goal was to make people believe what they were seeing was real or at least suspend their disbelief, and the only way to do that is by doing what's logical or most strategic. Once you've got the crowd, you've got heat. Once you've got heat, you can create all kinds of drama.

Now granted, the wrestling business in North America has changed over the past century. Kayfabe is pretty much a thing of the past and now it's become a business purely of making people suspend their disbelief. Stoylines and angles have become an intergral part of the business, which is both a plus and a detriment. The plus is that with angles and storylines, depending on how their executed, can contribute greatly to the execution of a great match. The detriment is that has lessened the credibility of the business and sometimes can be harder for workers to get a match over. What made HHH/Taker so 5 star worthy was that it encompassed all of this. It built on the drama and heat from their last encounter. It built on the humiliation of Taker having to be walked out of the arena the year prior after being dismantled by HHH, depsite Taker winning the match. It built on HHH being older, more worn down, but determined to not just end Taker's streak but to beat Taker himself and dismantle him for good. The addition of HBK as the guest referee ended up being a genius booking move that added even more drama. HBK had history with both competitors and only a couple short years prior was retired by Taker. Both Taker and HHH were aged and worn down. HBK respected both men despite past differences and had both their physical well being's laying on his conscience the whole match. His facial emotions told the whole story. The chair shots, finishers, and utter brutality only demonstrated that this rivalry had transcended a simple clash of guys wanting to outdo each other. Taker and HHH above all else ultimately told the one story that's in every match - they both wanted to win. And they came to a point where they were pulling out all stops to do just that. The facials and body language of Taker and HHH also told this story. And if you don't believe me, just listen to the crowd during the match. They were absolutely HOOKED and eating out of the palms of HHH and Taker's hands. Every near fall was believable and a few times it seemed like the streak was actually going to end. And then the conclusion. After several tombstones, Taker beats HHH.... but all 3 men, 3 peers of a bygone era, one of whom retired, the other two in the twilight of their careers, all hugged and walked out together. It was the end of an era. In the end, they all respected each other.

So when you say that it wasn't technically sound, im confused, because all the basic fundamentals of a 5 star classic were there.

In no order:

Ric Flair vs. Terry Funk I Quit, WCW Clash of the Champions IX, 11/15/89

Everything an I Quit and gimmick match should be - a match that PUTS THE GIMMICK OR OBJECT OF THE MATCH OVER. No wasted motion and what a great rivalry and backstory leading into it, fresh off another impressive match ath Great American Bash a few months prior. Terry Funk and Gary Hart were red hot as a heels and Flair was red hot as a babyface. Very brutal and intense for its time. Alot of references to their earlier work and an all around great brawl. Also didn't hurt that you had commentary from the two best plabolsy by play guys of all time, Jim Ross and Gordon Solie together! It was almost hard to tell the two apart at times. As far as delivery went, they were identical.

Bret Hart vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin I Quit, WWE Wrestlemania 13. 3/23/97

Another awesome I Quit match between 2 of the best of all time. What's there to say about the brilliance of this work of art that hasn't been said already? Bret and Austin had so much great booking and backstory to work off of and the result was one of the most brutal, emotional, brawls of all time. The match that single handedly saved and otherwise lame duck Wrestlemania. A very magical moment where both men switched spots. The finish was probably the best way they coudl've possibly ended this. Bret came out of it as a strong new heel without losing an iota of credibility and Austin, well..... the rest is history, as the say.

The Rock vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin, WWE Wrestlemania 17, 4/1/01

The two biggest stars of Attitude era clashed many times, but this was probably their greatest battle. As said before, any time you have a match where there's a past rivalry or some kind of history between the 2 competitors to play off of, you've got the potential for something really good regardless of booking. Well, this match had emotion on so many levels. Both wanted to best the absolute best star of the Attitude era. Austin had returned a few months prior after a year absence and wanted to take back his spot. The Rock, who had gone on to carry the mantle of the flagship babyface wanted to keep the spot. Above all else, Austin wanted the World title back. And that's what made this match on of the greatest World title matches of all time - the emotion and story revolved around the desire for the title. A good title match is a match that raises the prestige of the belt higher than what it already has. The match was brutal as Austin was really looking to get that title, desperate if you will. He would start resorting to old dirty tactics, even digging up a few tricks we hadn't seen in a while, like the million dollar dream! Through and through, the Rock never gave up. Finally, the swerve - Vince Mcmahon comes out and helps Austin win the title! As much as Austin's heel run may not have worked, i still think the initial turn in this match was done very well.

Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Toshiaki Kawada, AJPW 6/3/94

Another great storied rivalry between two of the greatest not only in All Japan but of all time. And what a rivalrly this was. At one time, 2 best of friends and tag team partners who became bitter rivals. Every match between these 2 have been classics, but this to me is the best of their encounters and my personal favorite. You want a brutal stiff wreslting match that encompasses what King's Road was all about? Look no further than this one. To this day, it holds up as one of the most brutal matches of all time. I still cringe whenever i see Kawada start bleeding from the ear.

Bryan Danielson vs. Nigel Mcguiness, ROH Unified, 8/12/06

Bryan Danielson, or better known now as Daniel Bryan, is one of my all time favorites and one of the greatest workers of all time. Him and Nigel, another extremely talented worker who sadly had to retire due to health issues, had one of the greatest rivalries ever in ROH. This match was Champion vs. Champion, with the ROH Pure title being retired and unified with the ROH World title. And what a brutal, emotional battle between 2 guys who already had great matches prior. Meltzer and others gave this **** 3/4, but i dont care, i truly feel this match was 5 star worthy. Flawless in their execution and just as good of a title match as anything Rock/Austin, Bret/HBK, or the All Japan aces of the mid 90's put out.

Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio, WCW Halloween Havoc, 10/26/97 Title vs. Mask match

The tecnico vs. the rudo. This match emobodied everything about the luchadores/cruiserweights in WCW. So much emotion, such flawless exectuion of everything both on a psychology and technical level. Definitely the greatest match between the 2. Even Bobby Heenan put it over while he was doing commentary.

The Undertaker vs. HHH, WWE Wrestlemania 28, 4/1/12

I've raved about this match before, so to avoid being repetitive, this is probably one of the greatest matches in the entire WWE of the recent years. I dont care if the critics didn't give it 5 stars, this was a 5 star classic and so well done on so many levels.

And honestly..... almost any tag match between Misawa/Kobashi and Kawada/Taue in mid 90's All Japan.

Despite all the other nonsense later on within the show and behind the scenes, i have alot of great memories of WCW.

To this day, i will argue that the greatest angle ever done in North America was the initial NWO angle. I don't think alot of people remember or understand the impact that this angle had. Alot of people overlook the fact that this angle revived interest in wrestling altogether in addition to drawing attention to WCW. The whole thing was genius. I remember as a 10 year old watching Nitro during RAW's commercials as i always did and seeing Scott Hall on WCW TV. Needless to say, i never switched back to RAW that night. Then the addition of Kevin Nash and the so called Outsiders' interactions with guys like Sting, Luger, and Savage had me hooked. People can say what they want about Tony Schiavone, but he also played a big part in selling this angle to the t. I truly believed as 10 year old that Nash and Hall weren't part of the show, or at least strongly questioning whether it was a work or a shoot.

And then..... the climax. The part of the angle that just took it to stratospheric levels. One of the most brilliant booking decisions ever made and SOOOOO WELL DONE. Hulk Hogan turns heel and forms the NWO with Nash and Hall. A stale Hogan successfully reinvents himself and becomes one of the best heels in the business after being the quintessential babyface. While over time the angle went downhill and wasn't used the way it should've been to put people over, it was still initially some of the best wrestling TV in history. Some may say that Austin vs. Mcmahon was truly the greatest angle ever in North America, and while that's definitely a valid argument to make, who's to say there may have been an Austin/Mcmahon angle without the NWO angle that literally shook pro wrestling?

And like you said, The Dude, no one can deny the awesomeness of Goldberg. Great booking aside, Goldberg just had this awesome presence about him. Not the greatest worker, but he didn't need to be. He was a big tough badass monster babyface that he played his role well. And as evidenced by Ryback, Bobby Lashley,and other immitations that have come along, it doesnt just take size to play that role effectively. Goldberg was charismatic. Goldberg could draw and had they continued to book him strongly, he would've become an even bigger draw over time for the company.

BTW, what's up The Dude? Good to see you're still around this board after all these years.

Hmmm.... absolutely horrible?

Kronik vs. Taker and Kane from Unforgiven 2001 is the first that comes to mind. This match happened during the god awful invasion angle to boot. Horrible, horrible boring match. No one really wanted to do anything. It was literally just taker, kane, adams, and clark doing a bunch of sloppy moves for a good 15 minutes. No story, no rhyme, no reason. Awful horrible. Probably wouldn't have been as bad if they had just kept it short to 8 minutes or so.

Who could forget Scott Steiner vs. HHH at the 2003 Royal Rumble? Again, literally Steiner doing nothing but suplexes with no rhyme or reason and Hunter no selling everything. This was back when Hunter had put on all that mass and could barely move the way he used to in 2000 and from 2004 on. It was just an all around disaster with the crowd **** all over it and booing Steiner. Not suprisingly, not only was the program immediately scarpped but Steiner was relegated to the mid card for a good 8 months before finally being **** Ironically enough, this show also had an amazing match on the card between Angle and Benoit.

Goldberg vs. Brock Lesnar at WMXX. I have a feeling this match could've been better if it wasn't already public knowledge that both men were leaving the company soon after, but even without the crowd **** all over it, it was still mediocre at best. A poor man's Warrior vs. Hogan from WM6.

Anything with Giant Gonzalez/El Gigante. If Ric Flair can't even carry you through a watchable match, there's a problem.

Im sure there's plenty more, but those are all i can think of off the top of my head.

Anyone have any ideas for new WWE DVD's?

It may sound kind of cheesy, but i've been thinking lately that a "Wrestling's Greatest Announcers" DVD could be pretty good. It would be formatted like the Wrestling's Greatest Managers DVD that came out a bunch of months back, with a bunch of mini documentaries for each person as well as some extra content for each announcer. Here's how it would be laid out:

What are play by play and color commentators respectively?

What makes a great play by play announcer?

Commentary, Passion, Voice, Verbal illustration, getting into and understanding the psychology, helping people suspend their disbelief, selling the angles, etc.

What makes a great color announcer?

Comedy, getting heels over in some case and furthering the drama between a babyface and heel within the context of the match, playing off of the play by play man.

Gordon Solie

People interviewed in the documentary - Jim Ross, Ric Flair, HHH, Harley Race, Dusty Rhodes, Jerry Lawler, Mike Graham, Paul Heyman, Gerald Brisco, Arn Anderson, Rick Steamboat, Greg Valentine, etc.

Extra content: Various Gordon Solie interviews with various big names from the last few decades.

Any of the Dory Funk Jr. vs. Jack Brisco matches where he did commentary, showing how he could paint a picture with his words.

Mean Gene Okerlund

People interviewed in the documentary - Hulk Hogan, Vince Mcmahon, Pat Paterson, Paul Heyman, Gerald Brisco, CM Punk, Roddy Piper, Jesse Ventura, Ric Flair, Hector Guerrero, Verne and Greg Gagne, Bobby Heenan, Bret Hart, Roadwarrior Animal

Extra content: Various Mean Gene interviews

Mean Gene and Bobby Heenan doing "tootie fruitie" (Lol)

Mean Gene and the gobbledy ****

How can an announcer add to an interview and help get a superstar over?

Gorilla Monsoon

People interviewed in the documentary - Jim Ross, Bobby Heenan, Jesse Ventura, Roddy Piper Gene Okerlund, CM Punk, Vince Mcmahon, Hulk Hogan, Bret Hart, HBK, HHH, Gerald Brisco, Pat Paterson, Edge

Extra content: Various skits with him and Bobby Heenan

Bobby Heenan

People interviewed in the documentary - Jim Ross, Paul Heyman, Jesse Ventura, HHH, Vince Mcmahon, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Dusy Rhodes, Jerry Lawler, Arn Anderson, Gene Okerlund, Verne and Greg Gagne.

Extra content: Various Bobby Heenan interviews

What makes a good announce team?

Jerry Lawler

People interviewed in the documentary - Vince Mcmahon, Jim Ross, Steve Austin, Bret Hart, HHH, Mick Foley, Paul Heyman, Bobby Heenan, CM Punk, Edge

Extra content: Interview with Bret Hart KOTR 1993

Various interviews conducted by The King

Joey Styles

People interviewed in the documentary - Paul Heyman, CM Punk, Mick Foley, Jim Ross, Lance Storm, Raven, Steve Austin, Tommy Dreamer

Extra content: Various interviews conducted by Joey Styles

Joey Styles worked shoot promo in 2006

Jesse Ventura

People interviewed in the documentary - Vince Mcmahon, Hulk Hogan, Gorilla Monsoon (old footage), Jimmy Hart, Bret Hart, HHH, Jim Ross, Jerry Lawler, Jim Ross, Bobby Heenan

Extra content: Various Jesse ventura interviews with superstars.

Tazz

People interviewed in the documentary - Vince Mcmahon, Paul Heyman, Michael Cole, Edge, CM Punk, Raven, Jim Ross, Jerry Lawler, HHH, Rey Mysterio, Tommy Dreamer

Extra content: None that i can think of at the moment

Paul Heyman

People interviewed in the documentary - Vince Mcmahon, Paul Heyman, CM Punk, Joey Styles, Jim Ross, Tommy Dreamer, Steve Austin, Mick Foley, Edge, Raven

Extra content: Any of Paul heyman's promos and interviews with superstars.

Bill Mercer

People interviewed in the documentary - Michael Hayes, Kevin Von Erich, Steve Austin, Bill Irwin, John Mantel, Buddy Roberts, Skandar Akbar, Jim Ross, Jimmy Garvin, Iceman King Parsons

Extra content: Various interviews ith World Class stars.

Vince Mcmahon

People interviewed in the documentary - Pat Paterson, Gerald Brisco, Vince Mcmahon, Bobby Heenan, Jim Ross, Jerry Lawler, Bret Hart, HBK, HHH, Steve Austin

Extra content: Various interviewws with superstars.

Interview int he ring with Bret Hart where Bret shoved him down and cursed him out

Tony Schiavone (i realize this may no be well received by some, but Schiavone had his good points. He had a good voice, was always into the action, and for the most part did a good job of putting some big storylines over, like the initial angles with the NWO.)

People interviewed int he documentary - Vince Mcmahon, Gene Okerlund, Ric Flair, Jim Ross, CM Punk, Paul Heyman

Jim Ross

People interviewed - Steve Austin, Vince Mcmahon, Jerry Lawler, HHH, Ric Flair, CM Punk, Mick Foley, Bret Hart, Pat Paterson, Paul Heyman, Edge

Extra content: Various Jim Ross interviewws with superstars

Kane setting Jim Ross on fire in 2003

Jim Ross turning heel in 1996

Jim Ross's debut at WM9 in a toga

And i completely forgot a few names..... managers need to come back. They used to be such a big part of the show and getting the talent over. In addition to Paul Heyman, WWE should bring in Prince Nana and Ultramantis Black. Prince Nana is an awesome talker and his gimmick would easily get over with the WWE audience. I could see a WWE embassy working out very well for young heels who need a push. While Ultramantis Black's gimmick is somewhat goofy and ludicrous, he's an EXCELLENT talker, good worker, and is known for getting talent that would otherwise be considered mediocre to look somewhat credible in every version of his stable. He would be best used as a manager, preferably for someone like Abyss if he was to be brought in. Bring in Jimmy Rave for the embassy too, while youre at it, that is if he can get past his drug problem.

And i know it will NEVER happen, but bring back Jim Cornette while he still has some led left in his pencil!