Dude, RoH has been dead for well over a year. The last feud or angle that had any relevance at all was Aries/Jacobs, and they even managed to **** that up by pairing them together in tag matches 2 months later. And then they gave Jerry Lynn the belt. Lol.

Not that i should be talking. Don't watch much wrestling these days, other than some of my DVDs from the archive. Got no reason to watch anything anymore other than Chiakara, but even that's not worth the money.

Too many to choose just one. I'll give you a top 7 in no particular order:

1) Ric Flair's title reigns

2) Hulk Hogan turning heel and joining the NWO

3) The Von Erich/Fabulous Freebirds feud

4) 90's All Japan Pro Wrestling. Period.

5) Austin/Mcmahon feud.

6) Hulk Hogan's babyface run in the 80's.

7) The birth of Wrestlemania

Sucks..........

After attending that craptacular excuse of a show in New York the other night, i can safely say that RoH is dead. It had a good 6 year run, but none of the shows after Final Battle 2008 have been blow away or even all that good.

I go to these shows now and i feel like i'm watching mid 90's WWE PPVs. Decent to good main evnets, while everything below is either flat out garbage or pointless. There's nothing wrong with a match that only goes 10 or even 5 minutes, but christ, do it for a reason! It did nothing but piss the fans off. Gabe wasn't setting the world on fire with his booking towards the end of his tenure. He was clearly burned out, but at least his shows had some semblance of logic and structure to them. In his prime, there wasn't a better booker than Mr. Sapolsky. Just watch any show from 2004, which IMO, was the absolute best year in RoH's run.

On top of all that, the talent just isn't there anymore. You have Danielson, Cabana, Rave, and Black as the only decent workers on the roster. Jacobs schtick is getting old. Claudio just doesn't seem to care all that much anymore, at least in RoH. They've ruined Necro Butcher, who could've been one of their biggest stars. Steenerico are stuck in a boring feud with a lame tag team. None of the workers are "horrible" per se, but none have the all around star power of the 2004 - 2006 roster.

And now they're bringing in guys like D'lo, Nunzio, and Jerry Lynn to try to draw in new fans?! Yeah, okay..... established veterans don't draw..... charisma and star power is what draws. True, a casual fan may be more inclined to check out a show that has familiar faces, but only if those faces belong to guys like Austin, Rock, Hogan, HHH, HBK, etc. These "established veterans" are only doing RoH a disservice. Now they look even more "bush league" than they did before.

In closing, Cary and Adam Pearce, you're **** morons. You had something awesome before and in your hare braned effort to make more money and "reach out to the casual fans", you've destroyed it. Your tv show sucks. Your shows suck. Your product sucks, period. There's nothing wrong with wanting to grow as a company. It's a business. Businesses are out to make money. We get this. But god damn it, do it the right way by being innovative! Thanks for taking away my only alternative the idiocy up north.

I'm willing to take a "wait and see" approach, but I am not liking what I am hearing thus far.The_Dude14

I agree. While "focusing on the entertainment side of things" doesn't sit very well with me, i'm all for old school territory style booking with heels and faces, and less meaningless high spots. After all, that's what got me hooked on RoH to begin with - great booking with matches that made sense. Outside of the Black/Nigel, Nigel/Danielson, and Black/Danielson series and a handful of others, alot of the matches are too mechanical with too little emotion. The Briscoes are the biggest culprits of this. I don't know what happened to them. They had such a great 2006 and 2007 with Steen & Generico..... then once Age of the Fall came along, everything became by the numbers.

Even though the emphasis has been on wrestling, it hasn't been great wrestling. There's been alot of stupid **** booked and missed opportunities with the talent. Aries/Jacobs is good, but as far as bloodfeuds go, it has yet to make that incredible connection with the audience that we saw with the Homcide/Corino, Cabana/Homicide, Dragon/Morishima, Homicide/Joe, Punk/Raven, AJ/Rave, GenNext/Embassy, etc.

I'm really intruiged as to how ROH will be booked now. I've always thought Gabe was overrated as a booker, and lately, the shows have sucked and it seems like he was giving no effort into non-PPV and NYC shows. Chicago_Nut

THANK YOU! Someone else who has the balls to speak the truth.

This isn't necessarily the end of the world, people. RoH's booking has been in a steady decline since mid 2007. Since then, you've had alot of talent who are just there and not being utilized at all. Alot of the feuds these days feel so by-the-numbers, especially all of this crap with Age of the Fall or Sweet and Sour incorporated. Nothing has any meaning like it used to. With the exceptions of Nigel/Danielson and Strong/Stevens, nothing in 2008 has recaptured the magic of Joe vs. The Rottweilerz, Homicide vs. Joe, Steen/Generico vs. The Briscoes, AJ vs. Rave, London/Dragon, GenNext/The Embassy, Homicide/Corino, RoH/CZW, Punk/Raven, etc. Those were the type of feuds and booking that embodied RoH at one point. Now all we get are qucik throw together feuds like The Briscoes/AOTF, Strong & Albright vs. S & S inc or anything involving the "Vulture Squad". Somewhere along the line, Gabe seemed to stop caring or got burned out or something to the point where i've lost the interest i once had. It's time for a change, for better or for worse.

Don't get me wrong, i think Gabe had some awesome ideas and nothing could ever take anything away from the fact that he built this company with his booking post-Feinsteinlittlekidmolester. He booked some of the greatest feuds of all time, but now his time has simply passed.

Mr. Perfect - He had all the tools to be an excellent heel champion. Too bad his personal demons and overall immaturity got in the way.

Ted Dibiase - Dibiase would've been the perfect heel champion in either the late eighties or early nineties. Him and Bret Hart could've had a great program together for the title.

Booker T - By the time he was given the belt, it was too late. He had become a joke. Booker T should've gotten that belt at WM 19. Quite possibly one of the most underappreciated and gifted babyfaces to come in years.

Hmmm..... i'm in a nostalgic mood today, so forgive me if i focus too heavily on mid-late nineties childhood favorites:

Shawn Michaels/Razor Ramon, 94/95: I'll always have a place in my heart for this feud being that it was the feud that got me into Pro-Wrestling. Both of them made me care more about the IC belt than the World belt.

Mankind/Undertaker, 1996: So well done in terms of getting Mankind over as a legitimate threat. Who better to put him over than the Undertaker? While most of their matches weren't anything all that great, these guys clicked in terms of getting the program over.

Bret Hart/Jerry Lawler, 93 - 95: Quite possibly the most underappreciated WWE feud of all time. What initially started out as a seemingly joke-ish makeshift feud became one of the hottest throughout the mid nineties. Lawler's heel promos bashing the Hart family were hilarious, and the two ended up pulling together a couple of decent matches. It's only a shame that these two didn't hook up when Lawler was in his prime.

Austin/Hart, 96 - 97: What more could really be said about this feud that hasn't been already? Peanut butter and jelly in and out of the ring. Every interaction between the two felt so real and the booking that led to the eventual double turn at WM 13 was perfectly done. Austin became the biggest babyface of 97 while Bret went onto to become one of the most hated heels of 97.

Austin/McMahon, 97 - 99: Again, not a whole to be said that hasn't been said already. The feud that more or less gave the WWE the big leverage they needed in the final throes of the Monday night wars.

Kane/Undertaker, 97/98: Whenever i think of the Attitude era, this feud always pops up first. Kane's debut was beautifully built up by some of the greatest heel promos of all time from Paul Bearer. Just a natural progression for the character of the Undertaker that worked in all the right ways.

The Hardyz/Dudleys/E & C: At a time when the WWE hadn't seen a decent tag team division for years, these 3 showed up and not only brought it back from the dead and but ended up being involved in one of the most visible feuds of the early 00's.

The Rock/Mankind, 98 - 99: Just a perfect dichotomy of characters. Rock being the pompous athletic rich boy and Mankind being the tough lovable underdog freak. Matches were just as brutal as you'd expect from a bloodfeud. Definitely up there with classics like Magnum/Tully and Murdoch/Dibiase.

HHH/Cactus Jack, 99 - 00: Once again, a case where two guys had tremendous chemistry in promos and matches. Foley worked his magic once more by putting himself and his opponent over despite losing cleanly.

Kurt Angle/Chris Benoit, 01, 02, and 03: Another lost treasure. Both had beautiful chemsitry, made Smackdown late 2002 the show to watch, booked with expertise by Paul Heyman, led to one of the all time greatest title matches in history at 2003 Royal Rumble.

Mick Foley/Randy Orton, 2003 - 2004: Despite not being a fan of Orton at all, this feud was great and stands out as one of the greatest in WWE history for its beautiful slow build and great payoff at Backlash 2004. Too bad this ended up arguably being the peak of Orton's career, despite what others may believe.

HHH/HBK, 2002 - 2005: Backstage politics aside, you gotta call a spade a spade. A well done long term feud between two talented guys who were able to carry it for so long.

Eddie Guerrero/Rey Mysterio, 2005: While the whole Dominic aspect of it it was borderline ridiculous, Eddie made the thing not only watchable but one of the most visible feuds of Smackdown in 05. Matches were pretty good, too.

HHH/Batista, 2005: I debated whether or not i should mention this one since it's a little too flawed in my opinion to be considered one of the best of all time. On one hand, you have a feud that established Batista as a main eventer with a well done slow gradual build that led to one of the most memorable face turns ever. On the other..... everything after the face turn was just.... odd. Why should Batista admit that he has respect for HHH when HHH cowardly tried to avoid facing Batista at WM? The whole thing seemed to contradict the idea of getting over Batista on his own. He should've hated Hunter with a passion and made it his mission to not only embarass him back but prove that HE'S the new man in town. On top of that, Batista went from an original 'Smart hoss' babyface to a lex luger-esque generic babyface. All flaws aside, it still put Batista over, but not as well as it could've. Excellent Hell in a cell match.

They'll push John Cena, Batista, and Randy Orton as legends, but i'll never acknowledge them.

True legends will be Eddie Guerrero, HBK, HHH, Edge, maybe CM Punk, Rey Mysterio, The Hardy Boys, Undertaker, Kane, Chris Jericho,

[QUOTE="_Muta"][QUOTE="The_Great_One2"]

Who cares about the IC belt?

'Nuff Said.

The_Great_One2

The people who've been fans long enough to remember when the IC belt was just as important as the World title. If it weren't for Ramon and HBK's ladder matches over that belt in the mid nineties, i would never have been a pro wrestling fan.

The IC belt was never as important as the World title. Plus, that ladder match is so overrated even for its time.

'Nuff Said.

Go buy some tapes/DVDs from WWE mid-late eighties and and early-mid nineties and then tell me it wasn't as important as the World title. Some of the most compelling feuds and matches of all time were built around the IC championship. Andre and Hogan may have drawn the house for WM III, but everyone remembers it for the show stealing Steamboat/Savage. When people think of WMX, they remember the ladder match and the Undisputed IC champion angle leading into it. It can even be argued that the IC belt was more or less treated as the de facto WWE championship throughout 1995, with the total and complete failure that was Diesel's reign and HBK becoming the star of the company.

And anyone who thinks either of the HBK/Razor ladder matches are overrated doesn't understand wrestling.