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#1 adrian1480
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[QUOTE="Rosencrantz"]

The fact is that if anything is going to kill XBL it is going to be Microsoft themselves. They have full control over it and they profit off of it. Meanwhile developers get little to nothing out of the deal. I predict that if other consoles can gain enough of a percentage of their user base, developers will focus more on them. Developers don't like that the PS2 online is unreliable in terms of who will buy into it. However, they love the fact that they have full control over their own product...something XBL doesn't exactly offer.

Having said that, right now the user base for online shows no signs of breaking through that %10 point. So to argue that nobody else can compete is like going back in time to the 80s and asking Sega to compete with the Power Glove. It's stupid and not worth the time at this point.

VoodooHak


Developers aren't getting anything by being on XBL? They have the benefit of having online available to their games without having to run servers or maintain all the services that XBL does for them. They also have a ready medium through which they can distribute extra content.

This opens the door to developers not as big as EA to actually get their games online.

Online, in turn, is a decent selling point for a game.

Comparing the support that devs/pubs give XBL as opposed to PS2 online.... that says alot.



And did someone mention MICROTRANSACTIONS?

Last I remember, devs were exstatic about being able to sell DIRECLY TO THE CONSUMER in this way. I'd be my left pinkie finger that Bungie made out like bandits on those newly released maps that most propbably bought via Live. No packaging or shipping costs for Bungie incurred. just straight $$$$$.
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#2 adrian1480
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wow alot of XBL haters in here. btw we are talking about Consoles here not Personal Computers. in the console world you want something great.... you gotta pay for it, you get what you pay for.JeffGenocideX


Yes ineed.

ps-->Whatup Jeff
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[QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="GunmetalXIII"][QUOTE="redrocksout"][QUOTE="adrian1480"][QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="donnie_mcgee"][QUOTE="Scottydooo"][QUOTE="AntiType"][QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

[QUOTE="AntiType"]By making it FREEGunmetalXIII

Free = you get what you pay for = crap

Free PC Online > X-Box LIVE



pc online is a lot easier to maintain, the resources are there... for console gaming, if you dont pay, it is crud... and you know it

Yeah, playing WoW and Everquest 2 are free! Cool, lets all play WoW all day long with no fees!


Maintaning MMOs cost money



Maintaining Xbox Live servers and services cost money too ;)



good look playing MMO's next gen with their fees ON TOP of XBL :



Actually you don't need XBL to play MMO games.


Oh yes they do



Uh, we're talking about next gen right?

They're separate costs. With a silver membership (free) you can play MMO games.



A point I wouldn't have even thought of. Nice move.
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#4 adrian1480
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I dont know they could try having it be FREE

FREE > PAY FOR ONLINE

in a hearbeat
____SHERMIT____


LAW > LAWLESSNESS AND CHAOS


in 1/2 a heartbeat

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[QUOTE="adrian1480"][QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="donnie_mcgee"][QUOTE="Scottydooo"][QUOTE="AntiType"][QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

[QUOTE="AntiType"]By making it FREEredrocksout

Free = you get what you pay for = crap

Free PC Online > X-Box LIVE



pc online is a lot easier to maintain, the resources are there... for console gaming, if you dont pay, it is crud... and you know it

Yeah, playing WoW and Everquest 2 are free! Cool, lets all play WoW all day long with no fees!


Maintaning MMOs cost money



Maintaining Xbox Live servers and services cost money too ;)



good look playing MMO's next gen with their fees ON TOP of XBL :



LOL.

yea, that would be pretty dastardly. We'll see how SquareEnix employs FF11. If there's a charge on top of the standard fee, I don't see anyone wanting to play it too much. But who knows...
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[QUOTE="hd28guy_basic"][QUOTE="rocklegacy2"]

[QUOTE="Gabino_basic"]microsoft just charges you for picking your server for you and giving you an instant message system, they should call it messenger.... oh wait.....
rocklegacy2

:lol: XBL is pretty useless anyway. If a console online service is free it's alot better

xbox live is the only console service... the ps2 only has online capabilities....:)

Sony has an online service cooking ^_^ Now lemmings can't brag about their XBL



Wake us when it's *real* and is as useful, ubiquitous, and homogeneous as Xbox Live is.

Last transcript I saw from "Phil" was that it's all still theoretical and conceptual (like *real* PS3 game trailers). No specifics. No details. No nothing. Just hollow promises that point to a solution resembling the trainwreck that is PS2 online today.

(((rolls back over in bed)))

ps--> whatup ROCK! good to see you on.
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[QUOTE="donnie_mcgee"][QUOTE="Scottydooo"][QUOTE="AntiType"][QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

[QUOTE="AntiType"]By making it FREEVILE_VIVI

Free = you get what you pay for = crap

Free PC Online > X-Box LIVE



pc online is a lot easier to maintain, the resources are there... for console gaming, if you dont pay, it is crud... and you know it

Yeah, playing WoW and Everquest 2 are free! Cool, lets all play WoW all day long with no fees!


Maintaning MMOs cost money



Maintaining Xbox Live servers and services cost money too ;)
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[QUOTE="rocklegacy2"]

[QUOTE="Gabino_basic"]microsoft just charges you for picking your server for you and giving you an instant message system, they should call it messenger.... oh wait.....
GunmetalXIII

:lol: XBL is pretty useless anyway. If a console online service is free it's alot better



There's no such thing as a free console online service... yet. Nintendo and Sony just provide the means to go online with hardware.



Yes indeed.
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[QUOTE="AntiType"][QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

[QUOTE="AntiType"]By making it FREEScottydooo

Free = you get what you pay for = crap

Free PC Online > X-Box LIVE



pc online is a lot easier to maintain, the resources are there... for console gaming, if you dont pay, it is crud... and you know it



exactly. The simple organization of Xbox Live makes it rule. I've been playing online since StarCraft debuted...actuall since Falcon 3.0 debuted back in '94...and I've owned several titles since then. There simply is no service that provides such a consistently good and quality experience as Xbox Live. Every game I've played on XBLive (Mech Assault, PGR2, Forza, Halo 2, Crimson Skies, Splinter Cell:PT, Ghost Recon...all of which I own) perform amazingly well. And I assure you, I'm still a PC game junkie. Always will be. the 1st Unreal Tournament was my crack cocaine my freshman year in college. But facts are facts. The overall service is far superior to any *free* and segmented solution that can be found anywhere else.

PERIOD.