[QUOTE="XD4NTESINF3RNOX"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]So you would want a guy who tried to bomb civilians a trial? He does not deserve one imo Why should he not get a trial? Should an attempted murderer also not get a trial because his failure to kill someone did not result in someone dead? Yeah, I dont get it. Its like people dont get what a trial is?? He should get a trial and if he is found guilty, I think he should get the death penalty and given the quickest death so that he doesnt get to say the shahada.People admit things under police interrogation when they didn't do it. It happens more often than you think.
Again, how can you honestly agree with executing people without trial? Would you be okay with that if the police accused you of something and decided you don't need a trial?
MattUD1
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[QUOTE="leviathan91"]
I'd rather not see this nation cave in to the demands of a pathetic terrorist group. These extremists will always be provoked by our way of life and will always continue to threaten us and terrorize us. But as a nation, we can never give in to fear but rather stand upto threats and live like freemen.
Alot of the anger specifically directed by the extremists towards the United States is because the United STates and much of the west has had their hands in the Middle Eastern affairs for 150 years.. Imperialism at its best.
So that completely justifies targetting random people who have nothing to do with those policies . . . . . Its because they believe the American people are responsible for what their government does and so they hope to terrorize the American people into changing their policies. They also argue that Americans by being responsible for their governments actions are not innocent people and thus they justify their violence. Do I agree. Heck no!! Even if they are right, the way they are going about is Haram (forbidden) by the Prophet. That is killing women and children and unarmed, peaceful men. The tactics they employ are evil, the message they spread is twisted and full of lies and their intentions are not pure. Nonetheless, none of this would justify terrorism. I believe what they are doing goes against what they are trying to achieve and this is the biggest sign of truth. The more violence they do the more the west is willing to do to crush them and the less sympathetic to muslims the west becomes and the less likely in general that the west will change its aweful foreign policy. And besides what are the middle easteners going to do if American takes its hands off of the middle east? Develop democracies, establish peace and leave the rest of the world alone? Yeah right People in the middle east have not shown in the last two centuries that they could do good for themselves at all. Admittedly, considering all that America has done in the middle east, its not surprising that people there hate us...but nothing, nothing justifies terrorism.Why is revolution muslim still in the news?!?!? People. These guys are idiots. Do not listen to them. Oh, and about the car bombing....I am sorry but we muslims need to play a more active role in stopping them. It is our responsibility not only as Americans but as Muslims. And I MEAN active not passive. Revolution muslim members and other people spewing the same BS and hurtful speech need to be banned from mosques by muslims and need to be alienated. I am sick of sitting here and seeing news story after news story about some balls-crazy extremist destroy Islams image and message and most of all hurt innocent people, be they American or of any other race or nationality. Sick of it!!!!
New article : http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/04/2010430191650342628.html
Muslims, academics and human rights groups have hit out at a looming public ban in Belgium on the full face veil, following adecision in the country's parliament to make the wearing of the article of clothing illegal. The vote on Thursday was almost unanimous with 134 MPs in support of the law and just two abstentions. "I think they're trying to wind us up," Souad Barlabi, a youngwoman wearing a simple veil, said outside the Grand Mosque inBrussels, the Belgian capital,around the time of Friday prayers. "We feel under attack," she said, a day after the politicians voted for the ban on clothes or veils that do not allow the wearer to be fully identified. 'Dangerous precedent' Amnesty International, a human rights group, said the measures must be reviewed by the upper house of parliament as they raise concerns about whether Belgium is in breach of international rights laws. "A complete ban on the covering of the face would violate the rights to freedom of expression and religion of those women who wear the burqa or the niqab," said John Dalhuisen, Amnesty's expert ondiscrimination in Europe. "The Belgian move to ban full face veils, the first in Europe, sets a dangerous precedent." The law, which stillneeds to be passed by Belgium's senate, will be imposed in streets, public gardens and sports grounds or buildings "meant for public use or to provide services" to thepublic. "We're the first country to spring the locks that have made a good number of women slaves, and we hope to be followed by France, Switzerland, Italy, and the Netherlands; countries that think," said Denis Ducarme, a liberal deputy. People who ignore the ban could face a fine of $20 to $34 and, or, a jail sentence of up to seven days. .... 'Disturbing' law "It's just a pretext," said Samuel Bulte, a convert to Islam handing out flyers and religious objects in front of the mosque. "How many robberies are committed wearing a burqa? "I'm afraid that soon they're going to want to start putting crescents on the backs of Muslims," he said, in a reference to theyellow stars the Nazis forced Jews to wear. Another man outside the mosque said: "The Virgin Mary also wore a veil. No one says anything about this." Nearby, 25-year-old Said said he was stunned "that a secular country would get mixed up in religion." Bruno Tuybens, a Flemish Socialist, was one of the two deputies who abstained from Thursday's vote. "This law disturbs me," he said. "I believe in freedom of expression and I don't think it should be restricted unless it's invery exceptional circumstances. "There is no link at all between crime and wearing the burqa or niqab." In Le Soir, a French newspaper, Michael Privot, an Islamic scholar, saidBelgium "now joins Iran and Saudi Arabia in that exclusive but unenviable rare club of countries to impose a dress code in the public domain".
Nicolas Sarkozy has declared that the face veil is not welcome in France [EPA]
He said the three cite "the protection of dignity, or even the freedom, of women to justify the unjustifiable: the restriction of individual freedoms of some of our citizens". Nicolas Sarkozy, France's president, has declared that the face veil is not welcome in his country, calling it an affront to French values that denigrates women. France's National Assembly will begin debate in early July on a bill banning the full face veil. A final draft of the legislation outlawing thearticle of clothingfrom all public spaces as well as state institutions is set to be approved by the cabinet on May 19. Staunchly secular France passed a law in 2004 banning the wearing of headscarves or any other "conspicuous" religious symbols in state schools.
*shivers* /sarcasm
Look at these two ninjas, it is obvious they are up to no good with their shopping bags and showing bare ankles.
xXDrPainXx
[QUOTE="anasbouzid"]*facepalm* People wear the veil because they are in the Middle East(/sarcasm in a dull voice). You should read the article. I didn't say they wore them just because of their location. They wear them in a Muslim Country, which this clearly is not. In a country where Islam is the Major religion. I dont understand what you are saying? Why does it matter that this is not an arab country nor does it have a majority of muslims?[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]
We're not in the Middle East here, there's no reason to wear them.
Snipes_2
[QUOTE="anasbouzid"]This is the most intollerant statement I have ever heard. I am American, where I have by law the right to worship as I please and dress as I please. If I was scottish and wore a kilt noone would have a problem. You know what kilt wearer, wear your kilts in your own country not here. God dang. I cant believe anyone in american could say this flat out with no problems. America is not yours. The culture is not made by you for you and for people with you tastes in music, clothes, religion, so on and so on. IF YOU DONT WANT TO ACT LIKE US, DRESS LIKE US, BE LIKE US AND BY US I MEAN PEOPLE LIKE ME THEN GTFO AMERICA. If you dont like the fact the American culture is changing and will always be changing then why dont you get out?!? The American culture isn't turning into an Islamic culture. In France they are having a problem with the Burqas etc...It's taking over their culture. We don't want that happening in America. This is prejudices. Its like saying we dont want a majority christians or jews....or alot of people wearing crosses. Islamophobia....the fear that Islam "is taking over our culture" should be a subtitle to the French flag or something[QUOTE="clyde46"] Fine, where it in your own country. Not here.Snipes_2
[QUOTE="anasbouzid"] Its not that easy. Take Tunisia for example. It calls itself a democracy and is recognized as such. It is everything but a democracy. But the people dont and wont do anything because of fear. All they knew in their lives was fear. They were bred on it. At one point religous muslim rose up and tried to start a revolution. They succeded and for one year amazing things happened for the arabs in the country. Amazing. Then the elected leader turned against those who got him there (and believed his lies) and the govt tumbled into a more oppressive regime than the one before. The "president" was immaculate, he made sure that no one can fight him by destroying the lives of good muslims and people and the lives of their loved ones. He used propaganda to make people believe that everything is ok and good and so it goes. The arabs have been hurts so much that all the powerless can do is hope they can live a life in peace with or without the luxeries of freedom (religious and otherwise). We Americans are different. We are strong because we were successfull in almost all of our major wars and we grew up with the understanding that freedom is our basic right worthy of dieing for and we will fight for it. We are strong. The people in the arab world have broken souls and are weak from the continuous oppression by the powerful.DeihjanLet me get this straight. You're an American muslim? Or an American christian? It's easy for an american to say that democracy is easily created, when one is accustomed to peace and a good life, even if you might live at the very bottom, working a million jobs or whatever (example, not saying it's you) If you grew up in a country, bred on fear as you say, it's difficult to understand a nation like America. You fear the unknown, because that's what humans do. If a country has lived in fear for over two generations, it's begun to seep into every human being that lives there. North Korea, for example, has been a dictator ship since I don't know when. The people are terrified, and if they as much as complain, they will be killed. As a danish young woman, I have a very hard time setting my mind to how their mindset works. I can't feel the fear or the oppression. All I know is that you can't force anyone to change, when they fear change. I am an American muslim or Muslim American or whatever. My family is from Tunisia. I grew up here, my parents grew up there. My dad designs medical instruments that detect things like cancer. He was with the anti-dictatorship movement and is an American educated muslim who grew up on a farm and never...like never lies. He told me what happened in Tunisia and why things are the way they are there and in the arab world.
EDIT: So to answer what I think is your question. I dont understand it from first hand experiences (but my dad does) and sometimes I wonder why can someone just get a hunting gun go up to the bad guy...and kill him (ridding the country of an oppresive regime) but it is just me being a nieve child. If only it was that simple.
The only thing I dont agree with in your statement is that if something is "deemed inappropriate by the general population then you should comply" part. America deemed it innappropriate for a black man to marry a white woman some time ago.You have a right to wear what you please however if it does cause security concerns or is deemed inappropriate by the general population then you should comply, I also have a bit of a personal bias against it due to viewing it as a form of oppression however thats just me.
Former_Slacker
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