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#1 anasbouzid
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[QUOTE="anasbouzid"][QUOTE="Wolls"] Well actually im all for it if you want to walk around in a veil, i dont care if it hides your face and makes people warry of you, thats your problem. However i dont like the fact that you have decided that it should come above all other common sense. You have to accept that it is bassically a mask and that going into places such as banks etc masks are not allowed for obvious reasons.Wolls

Ok how about this then. People can cover their face except in places such as banks where masks arent allowed. One can wear it outside though and go to the park in it and walk on the side walk in it and into any business that allows it and so on but in the bank and in the airport security checkpoints one must uncover the face...would you be ok with that? If so, then you are against the Belgian ban right?

This is exactly what i would like :)

I just fully understand why places like you said, banks and airports have CCTV and other security messures and to feel like you can ignore them is dumb, however i now understand that this isnt how you felt so no bad feelings :)

none at all my friend. What is up with all the love in OT today?
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[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"] Sort of. But we (people for democracy) are above that. Its not right to do as they do. Its not even Islamic what they do. It is haram or forbidden to force religion on a nonbeliever. There argument for doing it is always that they think they are "protecting" themselves from sin and stuff. Deep down though it is because of bigotry, lust for power and even worse reasons. If you want to learn more on this...you should look at the article I posted. It discusses why things are so messed up with women rights in the arab world

My ADD is freaking out today, so I can't overcome reading the entire article (bad excuse, sorry) Women's rights in muslim countries is a debate they themselves should be ready to. See, there are some parts in this world that aren't ready to a drastic change in how their system works. As a democratic nation with the man-power to make them do it, it doesn't make it right to do it. As a free person, I want to make my own decisions, as do all other people on this planet. Why force anyone into something they don't want/aren't ready to/don't have the resources to do it. They aren't pushing the religion onto others, just because they wear a simple piece of cloth.

Trust me there are millions of muslims that want to do this and fix the issues. The problem is they cant. The governments are set up so that its hard for the people in those countries to do anything truely good for themselves. You have no idea how many nights I have spend dreaming of how one could implement a true islamic democracy and how one can make sure curruption never takes over and garentees the rights of all the governed people. So many ideas and so much potential, but even I know nothing good is ever going to happen. It was even predicted by the Prophet that the muslim brotherhood will become weak and that muslim faith and situations will get worse as time goes on.
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#3 anasbouzid
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"][QUOTE="clyde46"] I've seen people wearing cross's being told to remove them because "it offends muslims". Now that is BS.

That is BS!! I agree with you on that. I am assuming that this is in some arab country. But let me tell you something. I dont not support...actually I am against all of the governments in the middle east for they are not Islamic and will never be....period.

Nope, this is in the UK.

What?!?! Thats not only wrong to ask others to do that but its absurd. If no cross then no cresent moon and they wouldnt like that...yeah, I would be against anything like that.
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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]rawsavon
Love you too man :)

I love youuuuu're sig. j/k MUST RESIST THE URGE TO....(*hugs everyone*)HUG!!
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[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"][QUOTE="markop2003"] Well if you tried it over here just putting a box with a perimeter of 56m (14m per side, with one tracker at each corner and one at the centre to allow positional tracking) around every camera it would cost 10.5 billion dollars in trackers alone.

Um...what are you talking about video taping everyone....that not what I meant by a solution.

I never said video taping. You were saying you should be able to register a veil so that peoplee can be identified by other means than CCTV.

I ment put a number on the veil itself where the face would be and keep a record of who it belongs to and is responsible for it. It is absurd but my point is...even this absurd solution is better than a ban.
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#6 anasbouzid
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[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"] Millions????!?! Oh man it is clear as day why the ban is the first solution that everyone runs to!!! It is clear as day. It is almost as people were looking for any reason any possibly legitamate reason to ban the veil, just so they can get rid of it because they dont like it; it doesnt appeal to them!

Well if you tried it over here just putting a box with a perimeter of 56m (14m per side, with one tracker at each corner and one at the centre to allow positional tracking) around every camera it would cost 10.5 billion dollars in trackers alone.

Um...what are you talking about video taping everyone....that not what I meant by a solution.
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#7 anasbouzid
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[QUOTE="Deihjan"]The Veil from Dragon age? *badum ditch* To be honest, I don't care if a muslim woman wears a veil or not, as long as it's her own decision and not her husbands/brothers/a different patriarch in the family. Admittedly, I am an ignorant Dane who knows nothing about any other religion than the basic Christianity I grew up learning. My knowledge about Islam is narrowed down to Muhammed being the Prophet of Allah, and the Quran being their bible. I guess as a fellow woman, I think the veil is oppressing their 'rights' to dress how they like, because I've heard tales of muslim women being forced to wear veils. Be it true for some, it's not for the rest. It's a dumb idea to ban a right to wear whatever you want. Sure, we don't wear veils at home, us non-muslims, but if we visited a muslim country we would be forced into wearing their clothes, unless we want to offend them. I've been in italy, where you aren't allowed to show your knees and your upper arms in a church, so you simply wear clothes that are accepted. I'm contradicting myself, I know, because it's difficult to force religious people to stop wearing their clothes when they live in our countries, where 'we' aren't muslims..(am I even making any sense?)

Sort of. But we (people for democracy) are above that. Its not right to do as they do. Its not even Islamic what they do. It is haram or forbidden to force religion on a nonbeliever. There argument for doing it is always that they think they are "protecting" themselves from sin and stuff. Deep down though it is because of bigotry, lust for power and even worse reasons. If you want to learn more on this...you should look at the article I posted. It discusses why things are so messed up with women rights in the arab world
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#8 anasbouzid
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I never understood the whole dying for virgins thing... its like the muslims suppress sex so much on earth with veils etc.but there main focus on terrorism is to get sex in there version of heaven... essentially there the hornyest of all, to strap a bomb to there chest for sex

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No actually. Muslims suppress inappropriate sex. That is sex before marriage and with people you are not married to. Muslims get hassanat or reward for appropriate sex and it is somewhat of a requirement of the husband that if his wife wants sex, he cant turn her down.

About extremism: I dont know where this extremist belief (virgins thing) comes from. There are some things in the Quran about what is in heaven but I dont recall anything like this.

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#9 anasbouzid
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[QUOTE="anasbouzid"][QUOTE="markop2003"]

You're blinded. The reason is perfectly justified, the law's motivation is safety for everyone and there is no "conspiracy" to ban it based on such abstract claims.

fooZar777

Here is your response (vvv). Am I the one blinded?

[QUOTE="Wolls"]

Well actually im all for it if you want to walk around in a veil, i dont care if it hides your face and makes people warry of you, thats your problem. However i dont like the fact that you have decided that it should come above all other common sense. You have to accept that it is bassically a mask and that going into places such as banks etc masks are not allowed for obvious reasons.RazMaTaz0121

im not sure what country you are from (Im guessing its USA for obvious reasons) but the local area i live (Birmingham UK) and I myself (accountant) who works at Lloyds have regular muslim clients who wear hijaabs, niqaabs (veils), and boss and managers do not say to remove any form of gear, and before you say "they must be muslim", they are not. Even if it was, if you ask kindly enough for idenfication reasons, they will be happy to show their face, but going as far as banning is just pathetic. Veils are assosiated with muslim women, who are considered harmless as its the "extreme muslim men" who have caused the havok, so how this reflects upon becoming a banning and law is stupid. Banning is going as far as public too, can a woman not wear a niqaab/veil to go to the park or for a walk?

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#10 anasbouzid
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[QUOTE="anasbouzid"]

They will face God's judgement and His punishment/His wrath is most severe!!

fooZar777

Well, unfortunately that does not reassure atheists and other religions.

Look, we have learned the lesson of hurting many because of a few, right. Otherwise we would be as bad as the terrorists because we would be hurting/terrorizing/possibly killing innocent people. A human is a human, a life is a life. So what assurances do you want?!?!?!