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#1 anasbouzid
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[QUOTE="anasbouzid"][QUOTE="Wolls"] Well actually im all for it if you want to walk around in a veil, i dont care if it hides your face and makes people warry of you, thats your problem. However i dont like the fact that you have decided that it should come above all other common sense. You have to accept that it is bassically a mask and that going into places such as banks etc masks are not allowed for obvious reasons.fooZar777

What? How " have I decided that it should come above all other common sense"? To me it doesnt make sense that a ban is the only logic/possible solution.

There is no other solution.

I doubt that. If the politicians really care about making everyone happy, they could come up with better (maybe not best) solutions. This applies to most things.

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[QUOTE="anasbouzid"][QUOTE="Snakewiseman"] no there isnt its from a movie stop getting so offended its not like I put a picture of mohammad upSnakewiseman

oh. why did you put something like this up? That last statement was really offensive. Tell me sir, how would I act if you put a picture of Mohammad ? Go ahead and do it and meet epic failure at how little of a reaction it will get from me!! Apparently, you have already concluded that I must be some extremists muslim who reacts violently to anything that insults my religion. You probably were ridiculing me with that dandy post from the movie werent you because otherwise nothing you are saying is making sence

He's Got a GUN!!! jk I never said that you were a extremist I was poking fun at extremists. but you know what would be nice though if the extremists wouldnt be so cowardly that they have to hide amoungst civilians thus instituting a "wow you never know if that guy is" mentality. frankly there is grounds for suspicion of every muslim(not saying you are) its not 90 year old grandmothers doing terror 99% of the time its these mislead terrorists that think there accomplishing something by killing innocent people. can you really blame people for the stigma caused by an ever growing non uniformed rebel group responsible for thousands of american deaths

I understand. I cant blame them for that. If the extremists were true muslims they wouldnt be cowards like that. They would fight by the standards of civilization if they believe they must fight to protect and defend. Its just one of many clear signs that these extremist are not muslims at all. They will face God's judgement and His punishment/His wrath is most severe!!

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#3 anasbouzid
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[QUOTE="Wolls"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"] Bend over backwards? Like it does for the jews and Israel. No....not nearly so!!! (no offense) Seriously, its not that you are willing to do much, its that you arent willing to do anything but what your heart so desires for yourself and select group of people that you like.

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Well actually im all for it if you want to walk around in a veil, i dont care if it hides your face and makes people warry of you, thats your problem. However i dont like the fact that you have decided that it should come above all other common sense. You have to accept that it is bassically a mask and that going into places such as banks etc masks are not allowed for obvious reasons.

im not sure what country you are from (Im guessing its USA for obvious reasons) but the local area i live (Birmingham UK) and I myself (accountant) who works at Lloyds have regular muslim clients who wear hijaabs, niqaabs (veils), and boss and managers do not say to remove any form of gear, and before you say "they must be muslim", they are not. Even if it was, if you ask kindly enough for idenfication reasons, they will be happy to show their face, but going as far as banning is just pathetic. Veils are assosiated with muslim women, who are considered harmless as its the "extreme muslim men" who have caused the havok, so how this reflects upon becoming a banning and law is stupid.

Thank you!!! Its obvious what the issues with it really are.

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#4 anasbouzid
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I have no problem with religious veils, provided that a) they are voluntarily wearing them, and b) they are still identifiable while wearing it. One of my teachers used to wear a veil, and it covered her hair fully but her face was very clearly recognisable, like this: To me there's nothing wrong with wearing something like that, in fact I think it looks quite nice when worn. The ones that cover too much of the face though are incompatible with what is considered socially acceptable, and should not be worn. If most Muslim women can wear sensible ones, then why can't all?cjek
Personally, I agree. However, not all muslims believe the same things in the same ways. Just like there are all sorts of christians there are all sorts of muslims. Some believe in nonsensible attire.

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#5 anasbouzid
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[QUOTE="Wolls"] So what you expect the country to bend over backwards for something that your religion says you must do even if it might compromise the security of its citizens?Wolls

Bend over backwards? Like it does for the jews and Israel. No....not nearly so!!! (no offense) Seriously, its not that you are willing to do much, its that you arent willing to do anything but what your heart so desires for yourself and select group of people that you like.

Well actually im all for it if you want to walk around in a veil, i dont care if it hides your face and makes people warry of you, thats your problem. However i dont like the fact that you have decided that it should come above all other common sense. You have to accept that it is bassically a mask and that going into places such as banks etc masks are not allowed for obvious reasons.

Ok how about this then. People can cover their face except in places such as banks where masks arent allowed. One can wear it outside though and go to the park in it and walk on the side walk in it and into any business that allows it and so on but in the bank and in the airport security checkpoints one must uncover the face...would you be ok with that? If so, then you are against the Belgian ban right?
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#6 anasbouzid
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[QUOTE="anasbouzid"]

[QUOTE="Wolls"] So what you expect the country to bend over backwards for something that your religion says you must do even if it might compromise the security of its citizens?Wolls

Bend over backwards? Like it does for the jews and Israel. No....not nearly so!!! (no offense) Seriously, its not that you are willing to do much, its that you arent willing to do anything but what your heart so desires for yourself and select group of people that you like.

Well actually im all for it if you want to walk around in a veil, i dont care if it hides your face and makes people warry of you, thats your problem. However i dont like the fact that you have decided that it should come above all other common sense. You have to accept that it is bassically a mask and that going into places such as banks etc masks are not allowed for obvious reasons.

What? How " have decided that it should come above all other common sense"? To me it doesnt make sense that a ban is the only logic/possible solution.
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#7 anasbouzid
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[QUOTE="anasbouzid"]

[QUOTE="Snakewiseman"] What?Snakewiseman

There is so much that is just wrong with your post that it boggles me why this hasnt been moderated.

no there isnt its from a movie stop getting so offended its not like I put a picture of mohammad up

oh. why did you put something like this up? That last statement was really offensive. Tell me sir, how would I act if you put a picture of Mohammad ? Go ahead and do it and meet epic failure at how little of a reaction it will get from me!! Apparently, you have already concluded that I must be some extremists muslim who reacts violently to anything that insults my religion. You probably were ridiculing me with that dandy post from the movie werent you because otherwise nothing you are saying is making sence
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#8 anasbouzid
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[QUOTE="Wolls"] Also i dont see american culture changing that much. The fact is country's in the middle east have their own laws and so do places like America and the UK, it is not for you to come over and expect their laws to change for your sake as it is not an american's right to demand laws changing Iran etc.Wolls

No, this country makes promises to all its citizens no matter their origins be it germany or saudi arabia and that is freedom of speech, freedom of religion and much more. This necessitates and adaptive law system which we have.

So what you expect the country to bend over backwards for something that your religion says you must do even if it might compromise the security of its citizens?

Bend over backwards? Like it does for the jews and Israel. No....not nearly so!!! (no offense) Seriously, its not that you are willing to do much, its that you arent willing to do anything but what your heart so desires for yourself and select group of people that you like.

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#9 anasbouzid
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[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"] there are only several hundred veil wearers in Belgium and what 4 thousand in france. Also, were there any incidents of veil wearing people caught stealing and robbing banks and such.

You'ld justify spending millions just so several hundred people could wear a certain item of clothing? Dosn't matter if there have been any in the past, preventitive measures are required when the pottential gain far out weighs the loss.

Millions????!?! Oh man it is clear as day why the ban is the first solution that everyone runs to!!! It is clear as day. It is almost as people were looking for any reason any possibly legitamate reason to ban the veil, just so they can get rid of it because they dont like it; it doesnt appeal to them!
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#10 anasbouzid
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"][QUOTE="markop2003"] Neither the US, UK or Belgium is in the middle east...... so what exactly are you arguing here?

OMG seriously. People wear them for personal reasons. The reason for wearing them isnt because they are in the middle east but because they believe it protects their dignity and modesty and is required by their religion. Did anyone read the article?

I've seen people wearing cross's being told to remove them because "it offends muslims". Now that is BS.

That is BS!! I agree with you on that. I am assuming that this is in some arab country. But let me tell you something. I dont not support...actually I am against all of the governments in the middle east for they are not Islamic and will never be....period.