[QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]Plus a case. Plus a power supply. Plus an operating system. Plus a mouse and keyboard. Plus a combo drive. That about adds up to my 1 grand theory, we're building from scratch remember?Vandalvideo

I was responding to the computer in the poster's sig that i quoted... Let's be real here, most PSUs that come in cases are trash. Go to any other PC forum and say they're not so you can be laughed off of the board. The PSU is the most important part of a good PC.

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[QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"]That processor holds that video card back, terrible PC, terrible motherboard. That cheap piece of crap will die in a few months. That is also still about $880 American...heretrix

As I said earlier, I really don't understand why PC guys have a problem with admitting that PC gaming may cost a bit more..the games are cheaper and the hardware more advanced. I don't have a problem spending more money on one.On a lot of these rigs that I see posted in these types of threads, I wouldn't buy half the parts that are shown..I'd rather spend the extra money upfront.

I'd say it's $1000 for a good one. Honestly though we are trying to break the myth that it's 1500 to 2000 dollars for a good one. The way I see these console guys talking about PCs I see why geek squad and others make so much money. I should open a business like that. Fact it isn't that much more expensive 1000 is giving you the full expierence. For a console you need a HDTV for that. Also there are quite a few things to consider. Console perphirals as well as paying for online in some cases,paying for DLC, more expensive games also all come into play. That shoots the cost of a console by quite a bit I must say, even though they stuff isn't mandatory you don't get the full expierence without it.

I whole-heartedly agree. Plus, that PC only scrapes by today, much less 6 months to a year from now.

[QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]Seems a few other people are in agreement that nowadays it's 1 grand for a good gaming PC...gatorteen

Post your $650 gaming rig with only new components for us please.

look at my sig.

I'm not going to find the price for each part. Thats you're job.

Plus a case. Plus a power supply. Plus an operating system. Plus a mouse and keyboard. Plus a combo drive. That about adds up to my 1 grand theory, we're building from scratch remember?

[QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]Seems a few other people are in agreement that nowadays it's 1 grand for a good gaming PC...Vandalvideo

Post your $650 gaming rig with only new components for us please.

[QUOTE="beatzfreak69"][QUOTE="DAZZER7"][QUOTE="beatzfreak69"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]IMHO...there are a few things keeping me from calling that a "gaming" PC. Atleast use vista home premium.

Why not XP? there is no rhyme or reason to going to Vista at this time.

A decent gaming keyboard and mouse will set you back about $75.

Owning a gaming keyboard my self I say they are next to USELESS most times and give little to no difference to playing with a standard keyboard.. Gaming mouse is yet another thing that is more a luxury then a real need...

Atleast get an athlon with the windsor core...which would be the 5600+ or higher.

Overclocking is a wonderful thing.. Other then the fact that alot of processors now a days don't show that much improvement say at most a 10% improvement from Top to bottom, you can overcloclk for a bare minimum.. Overclocking a E4300 pentium for instance can get you to E6600 Speeds easilly with a affordable aftermarket fan +heat sink.. If your especially daring you can pump it past 3ghz and it will run cool..

The power supply has already been brought up, it's atleast $80 for a proper one.

I'd personally switch out the 8800GT for a 3870 for only $179. I'm really not in love with that motherboard either. I'd get the ASUS MVP with crossfire so i could throw another 3870 in there in the future, and the mother will only set you back $116.

Yet agian this is more a LUXURY then a real need.. Other then the fact that crossfire and the SLi equivlent are money sinks that arn't really needed, why in the wrold are you trying to kite out a computer when he was just pointing out that you can make a decent rig for relatively cheap?

Then, IMO, that would be a gaming computer.DAZZER7

Like i said before, what he built would be a good home computer. You could not play all of the games currently out on high with that computer. He included Vista, not me; i was just pointing out that home basic is cutting corners. Whether you prefer XP or Vista is a personal choice. Besides, if you're building from scratch you're buying it either way, and it will cost just as much. Keyboard i will give you, even though the saitek i picked out was only $35. The mouse is a different story. Tell me there's no difference playing an FPS with a basic computer mouse and a decent laser 5 button mouse, which is still only about $45. The processor choice was so you wouldn't have to overclock in the first place, I'd much rather run games at decent speeds on stock than have to stress components. The motherboard, like i said; is only $116. Not only is it crossfire, but it has a better chipset and more features; and it's an asus. These components are not "luxury" by any means. Quad-core, 250 dollar motherboards, a G9 mouse, and vista ultimate are luxuries.

What rubbish, that rig would max every game except Crysis at all but the highest resolutions. Anything over 1280x1024 would start to drain on resources but it will max COD4 to even games like WiC!

You want to talk max now? In that case, it will only run games at max for 6 months from now; maybe less with that CPU. So you're going for a 6 month upgrade cycle?

What games do you know of that have been announced for this year or next that will have system requirements so high, this pc won't be able to max out? The answer is we dont know, but going on typical trends within pc gaming it is reasonable to expect a good 1 year to 18 months of joy.

....and even when it doesnt max games, it will continue to run any games coming out for many years. It will still be above the minimum system requirements.

Do you understand that you dont have to upgrade every time a slightly improved GPU or CPU is released? There is not point talking to you any more until you grasp that simple concept!

With that processor, without overclocking; I can say 100% that processor won't allow you to play every game coming out this year maxed out. I do understand that you don't have to upgrade constantly, that's the whole point of me upgrading the components from your original configuration SO THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO UPGRADE AGAIN THIS YEAR.

[QUOTE="beatzfreak69"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]IMHO...there are a few things keeping me from calling that a "gaming" PC. Atleast use vista home premium.

Why not XP? there is no rhyme or reason to going to Vista at this time.

A decent gaming keyboard and mouse will set you back about $75.

Owning a gaming keyboard my self I say they are next to USELESS most times and give little to no difference to playing with a standard keyboard.. Gaming mouse is yet another thing that is more a luxury then a real need...

Atleast get an athlon with the windsor core...which would be the 5600+ or higher.

Overclocking is a wonderful thing.. Other then the fact that alot of processors now a days don't show that much improvement say at most a 10% improvement from Top to bottom, you can overcloclk for a bare minimum.. Overclocking a E4300 pentium for instance can get you to E6600 Speeds easilly with a affordable aftermarket fan +heat sink.. If your especially daring you can pump it past 3ghz and it will run cool..

The power supply has already been brought up, it's atleast $80 for a proper one.

I'd personally switch out the 8800GT for a 3870 for only $179. I'm really not in love with that motherboard either. I'd get the ASUS MVP with crossfire so i could throw another 3870 in there in the future, and the mother will only set you back $116.

Yet agian this is more a LUXURY then a real need.. Other then the fact that crossfire and the SLi equivlent are money sinks that arn't really needed, why in the wrold are you trying to kite out a computer when he was just pointing out that you can make a decent rig for relatively cheap?

Then, IMO, that would be a gaming computer.DAZZER7

Like i said before, what he built would be a good home computer. You could not play all of the games currently out on high with that computer. He included Vista, not me; i was just pointing out that home basic is cutting corners. Whether you prefer XP or Vista is a personal choice. Besides, if you're building from scratch you're buying it either way, and it will cost just as much. Keyboard i will give you, even though the saitek i picked out was only $35. The mouse is a different story. Tell me there's no difference playing an FPS with a basic computer mouse and a decent laser 5 button mouse, which is still only about $45. The processor choice was so you wouldn't have to overclock in the first place, I'd much rather run games at decent speeds on stock than have to stress components. The motherboard, like i said; is only $116. Not only is it crossfire, but it has a better chipset and more features; and it's an asus. These components are not "luxury" by any means. Quad-core, 250 dollar motherboards, a G9 mouse, and vista ultimate are luxuries.

What rubbish, that rig would max every game except Crysis at all but the highest resolutions. Anything over 1280x1024 would start to drain on resources but it will max COD4 to even games like WiC!

You want to talk max now? In that case, it will only run games at max for 6 months from now; maybe less with that CPU. So you're going for a 6 month upgrade cycle?

[QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]IMHO...there are a few things keeping me from calling that a "gaming" PC. Atleast use vista home premium. A decent gaming keyboard and mouse will set you back about $75. Atleast get an athlon with the windsor core...which would be the 5600+ or higher. The power supply has already been brought up, it's atleast $80 for a proper one. I'd personally switch out the 8800GT for a 3870 for only $179. I'm really not in love with that motherboard either. I'd get the ASUS MVP with crossfire so i could throw another 3870 in there in the future, and the mother will only set you back $116. Then, IMO, that would be a gaming computer.DAZZER7

I think you're being way too picky! Of course its a gaming PC. It has high end ram, GPU and its a decent CPU! It will max everything but Crysis. The mouse and keyboard are wired and the mouse is a reasonable optical mouse.

I do see your point about the 3870 but I couldnt find one that cheap so I went with the 8800GT. But the rig is good enough to max any game on, hence its a gaming PC. Its a decent rig. Its only the 'enthusiasts' that would turn their nose up. I've acheived my goal however of proving that PCs don't HAVE to cost the Earth. They can, but they don't have to.

See?

Everybody has their opinions, and you're entitled to yours. All I said was that IMO that's not a gaming PC. Yes, it has a some good components; but it also has some questionable ones. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that at this point in time; that's right on the line between home and gaming. The changes that i suggested would let you keep relatively the same configuration for 2 years+.

[QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]IMHO...there are a few things keeping me from calling that a "gaming" PC. Atleast use vista home premium.

Why not XP? there is no rhyme or reason to going to Vista at this time.

A decent gaming keyboard and mouse will set you back about $75.

Owning a gaming keyboard my self I say they are next to USELESS most times and give little to no difference to playing with a standard keyboard.. Gaming mouse is yet another thing that is more a luxury then a real need...

Atleast get an athlon with the windsor core...which would be the 5600+ or higher.

Overclocking is a wonderful thing.. Other then the fact that alot of processors now a days don't show that much improvement say at most a 10% improvement from Top to bottom, you can overcloclk for a bare minimum.. Overclocking a E4300 pentium for instance can get you to E6600 Speeds easilly with a affordable aftermarket fan +heat sink.. If your especially daring you can pump it past 3ghz and it will run cool..

The power supply has already been brought up, it's atleast $80 for a proper one.

I'd personally switch out the 8800GT for a 3870 for only $179. I'm really not in love with that motherboard either. I'd get the ASUS MVP with crossfire so i could throw another 3870 in there in the future, and the mother will only set you back $116.

Yet agian this is more a LUXURY then a real need.. Other then the fact that crossfire and the SLi equivlent are money sinks that arn't really needed, why in the wrold are you trying to kite out a computer when he was just pointing out that you can make a decent rig for relatively cheap?

Then, IMO, that would be a gaming computer.sSubZerOo

Like i said before, what he built would be a good home computer. You could not play all of the games currently out on high with that computer. He included Vista, not me; i was just pointing out that home basic is cutting corners. Whether you prefer XP or Vista is a personal choice. Besides, if you're building from scratch you're buying it either way, and it will cost just as much. Keyboard i will give you, even though the saitek i picked out was only $35. The mouse is a different story. Tell me there's no difference playing an FPS with a basic computer mouse and a decent laser 5 button mouse, which is still only about $45. The processor choice was so you wouldn't have to overclock in the first place, I'd much rather run games at decent speeds on stock than have to stress components. The motherboard, like i said; is only $116. Not only is it crossfire, but it has a better chipset and more features; and it's an asus. These components are not "luxury" by any means. Quad-core, 250 dollar motherboards, a G9 mouse, and vista ultimate are luxuries.