@gamerforlife96: LOL... Wrong target my friend. I never said that, because at my eyes, everything that Joel did in TLOU1 was correct.

Yep... I can surpass Triss cast choice... But it looks a nice mom when she is with Yen and Ciri...

What have they done with the redhead goddess...

@taylorspace: "he was still a bad person at the end of the first game."

Sorry but no... He was a bad person in the beginning of the game. But until the end of the game everything he does is right. One bump or two, but still, the right thing to do.

"A Very selfish person that went on a murder spree."

I´m assuming you are talking about the end of TLOU1... So I ask. What other choice he has in that moment in order to save a innocent girl from being killed?

@gamerforlife96: Downfall? LOL... In what? Sells? You need to see the positive side too, it was a way to clean the waters...

"I luv this quote I can use it everytime someone dislike something"

Maybe, but we both know I'm right on this one. Your statement says it all...

Hey... But you can cry a little longer for Joel's death. The funny part about it all, is that your kind probably think they like Joel more than us who love the story of this game...

@taylorspace: "He wasn't a good person."

Yes... But not for what he did in the ending of TLOU, he is a bad person for what he did in the time between her daughter death and Ellie appearance.

"but he definitely had it coming and I like that it did."

The you should play TLOU2 again, because you didn't learn nothing. You are acting in the same line as the haters of the game. With tunnel vision and unable to understand that ultimately, we should do better.

@daidochus: No, she is in fact an interesting character. You may like her or not, it is your choice to do that, but that's a different story.

@sabredj: "after TLOU2 I'm not sure narrative is going so well either."

I agree... They demand too much from gamers. But the ones who get it really love the game...

I keep saying they should lower down the level in order to be easy to digest the narrative.

@gamerforlife96: Dont worry... that pain it will pass...

And maybe one day, the understanding of the game narrative.

@daidochus: "That is why you have this mess so-called TLOU2."

You mean GOTY?

TLOU is my most loved game, yet, I can´t deny it has the most simple premise as main narrative. And its a very linear game with a very cliché story. Yet, it is told perfectly, the characters are amazing and the world very immersive.

TLOU2 is also a masterpiece, but a different kind of one. And the narrative is far from cliché, and you don't need to go much far to see it, you still have people with trauma with the game. So... Cliché? No...

"it was a revenge story and a redemption arc for the villain."

Yes... Ellie first journey and Abby journey... But... Did you not played the farm scene and Ellie second journey? Because you forget to mention that part of the story...

@ezio899: "you seriously have no way to actually debate what I'm saying"

Is that what you tell yourself?

"you just cherry-pick my sentences in half."

I choose from your statements the highlights... Because ultimately, that's the key ideas on debate.

"I never once at all said Abby was trans."

And I never said you did... I gave you an example who fits perfectly in the same group that, usually, uses diversity and Lev as trans as a problem or agenda...

"you fail at debating your views so it's fine"

Maybe... but I'm still waiting for you to counter at least one of my arguments... still nothing...

In a way, I´m not surprise, considering the game clearly went over your head.

"If you're really over 40 it's actually sad that you're so bad at debating."

No one is perfect. I accept my flaws... But, I´m not the one who can´t justify his claims... Do your remember what you said about Joel? "But willingly giving out his name."

If you can´t be accurate with one of the things that ruins the game for you, how can you be taken seriously?

Ah right... Because you are good at debates... LOL