@bloodbornelore: Ok... Now I'm really going to try to write less... You probably do a reply in 2 minutes and I need way more time... LOL
1) "Then you compare public mask wearing with r@ping children."
And here we go again... I never compared nothing. You were the one bringing James to the table. I was talking about Gina and only about Gina. Gunn is a different matter. And how could I compare to things that have no correlation whatsoever? Wearing mask has a direct objective, to protect people, especially the weak ones (and by weak I mean elders and sick people). How can people make fun of it or not apply to that simple premise is beyond my compreention. And so far as I know, and I hope so, no one raped no one... but like I said, that's a different kind of debate.
"Whoah, calm down there."
Ok... Probably my bad English here... Yet, I understand that my views are a bit complicated for you. Because I hate your extreme right (and all the extreme rights in the world) and at the same time I dont give a crap about your left... I would say I´m more of a center guy. That allows me to say that the "me too movement" is almost as bad as some of the people they are chasing, and that any people who destroys private property in a manifestation should be put in jail and receive a few slaps on the face in the process...
I can also say that what Gunn said is very stupid and disgusting, yet I believe that everyone can make a mistake and learn from it. The ones who repeat the mistake are the ones who truly worries me.
"We must be objective."
And thats why Im pretty calm in these conversations... I dont have an agenda or a political cause.
"someone who is nothing like those people you’ve mentioned."
Maybe. I can be wrong about Gina. She may be the nicest person in the world... but after reading her texts I can´t believe it anymore. And surprise, surprise, I used to like her... not as an actor, but as a presence in the big screen.
"It’s nothing but feelings from you."
Unless you have some inside intel... its feelings from all of us... nothing more...
"You even said yourself that she was fired for her political views..."
Come on man, again... In my mind she was fired because she was a liability. It was a business action, nothing more, nothing less. Sadly, if what she was saying would result in Disney profit or good publicity she would be in the Mandalorian... I don't have faith in Disney values either.
2) "What do you mean by “you guys”?"
I read what you wrote, and you really sound as a intelligent person. We probably are more in the same side of the "general picture " than what I thought. But that only makes more complicated for me to understand how you could be on "the Trump side of things"... If that is not your side, then I´m sorry, it was my assumption.
"You see this as a war and I don’t."
When the extreme right is at hand, yes... I see it as a war. The problem I have with the American right is that they choose as leader a guy who loves the extreme right... and that makes them responsables. All the hate Gina is talking about did not fall from a tree, it has a name, and it was a Republican choice... But we are entering politics... and that's not the focus on this discussion.
"Disney seem okay with Gunn"
Considering what happened... clearly not...
"nobody’s ever going to hire a pedo Director"
There is a difference in saying something stupid and doing something stupid. Unless you have some proofs about this claims you would do better in think before write.
"Things are how they are and there’s no denying them."
On this we can agree... This topic is just fun debate of ideas and perspectives. The outcome is already set in stone...
3) "Halloween or not. Whatever. You didn’t answer my question."
Oh... but I did. Because the fact that they are dressed as those clowns outside Halloween or Carnival (I dont know if this word is applied in the US) only proves how dangerous these guys are.
But, returning to your previous question, I only see it is stupid, and bad taste. Not the roman outfit, it seens ok for me, but the Nazi ornamentation is always something stupid to wear. And do you think anyone would recognize the Genghis Khan outfit? LOL
"You don’t think Cancel Culture is real..."
I believe that people are offended with a lot of things these days. On that I can agree. But cancel culture is now used in every situation. Same can be applied to "agenda", "SJW" and so on... Its a banalisation of a concept. And by doing that, the value of the words itself loses reference and context.
So don't get me wrong. There are many things stupidly changed, but the problem is that everything is cancel culture these days. And if everything is cancel culture, then nothing is cancel culture.
"Give it a couple of decades and everything the Left has ruined will return in glorious fashion."
Maybe. As long as respect and good will are at the center of the decisions, fine by me.
LOL... We really got out of the main topic... LOL And damn... I wrote too much...
@seripa: Very cute rant... Yet, I never said she was a Nazi, I said the people with Nazi ornamentation are on her side of the fence. If you want you can try to prove me wrong. It would be fun to see...
Yes... And that inflates my bad English... So I'll keep it simple.
1) I already explained why I think she is a toxic asset. Her mentality is not a problem per se, is the repercussion of her ideas. The mask situation ad the lack of respect for diversity is the worse part for me. And the last tweet is just another nail in the coffin. But we are beating a dead horse on this one. You believe that what she is saying is cool, I don't.
"Whereas if you agree with what Gunn said then you should be thrown in jail for being a pedo."
Sorry, but this is just stupid. You never hear me said I agree we what he said. In fact, not even himself agrees with he said. But you know that, and now we start playing a different game. You tried to twist my reply (in a very weak way I may add), but fail miserably.
"Then you go on to also say how it was a political move from Disney."
No, you never hear me say it was a political move. That's the "right" victimization mentality. To me it was just a PR move. She was not going to stop, they were afraid of what could comenext, so "by by Gina"...
"Then you go on to express more disdain towards Gina based on your hatred for Trump."
I just give context... nothing more...But yes, Trump, Putin, Xi Jinping, Kim Jong-un, and so on... I really hate those guys...
"Also, just what the hell is a “toxic process”..."
Ok... That's easy, I will apply the reply to the situation... When you have someone that can hurt your image in the world. Disney tried as much as possible to keep their actors out of the political debate. Thats why Pedro was warned and so did Gina. But Pedro stopped, Gina dont. So, at her eyes she was a liability. The tweets are bad, but nothing out of this world, but its not just the tweets, its the idea that those tweets would keep going. And why the risk of having someone like this working for you? Especially such a weak actress. The next tweet could be an even worse comparison. And Disney knew that a new tweet will come, so they exercise their right to choose the people they want to work with.
"you don’t know Gunn personally"
Of course not... For all I care he can also be a Republican... But I also don't know Gina. What I do know is that one of them repent, the other dont...
2) "Just a bias leftist move because the Republican opinion is somehow so much worse than pedophilia, right?"
The funny thing about you guys is how you always tried to shift the things in debate using something worse to justify something bad... LOL
Yes... pedophilia is really bad, horrendous to be more precise. And being a republican is not a a problem, its a choice. It doesnt changes nothing about the situation at hand. Gina wrote some stupid things, Disney put her away. Gina can now say everything freely, and Disney is safe from Gina´s opinions... Win win situation.
3) "This is where you begin to make me smile and almost laugh."
See... There is always something good we can take out of a debate.
"Would you be upset if I dressed up as Genghis Khan for Halloween instead of a Nazi or Hitler?"
Funny analogy... yet... they are not dressed for Halloween, and you know it... But you tried to excuse them, so... thanks to proven my point...
"Cancel Culture. You keep up with it and you will someday find yourself very, very bored."
Nah... Cancel culture is just a made up name. Life is not a thing without consequences. Your freedom can only go until the limits of other people freedom. Gina freedom of speech is intact. And Disney freedom of choice too...
1) I call her toxic because of her ideas. Voter fraud is the less important thing for me. The courts already disproved that logic. But the mask thing, and the respect for other people, thats not a thing I can see as acceptable. We already debated the last stupid tweet. It is a process that was not going to stop, and at my eyes, and Disney eyes, it was a toxic process.
My opinion is important? No. Only Disney opinion matters. And I agree with them. Is as simple as that.
"That’s not her actions but I your feelings."
No, it was her actions, and the repercussion of those actions in Disney structure. You may think that what she wrote was ok, I believe it was not, at the end of the day is just our feelings. You are right on it, but that doesnt means that your or mine opinion is right. Because we clearly have differents points of view.
US media is your problem, not mine. I don't need US media to explain me the words of Trump and Trump supporters... I can hear them talk...
"If you want to accuse Gina of something, you’re going to have to do a hell of a lot better than that."
Oh... But I dont have to do nothing... She is out... The reason is clear. You may choose to accept it or not, but thats your problem.
"Gunn said some real sick things and Gina never said anything of the sort."
To your eyes maybe Gina done nothing. But you are forgetting the other people who dont think the same. Gunn explained himself, excused himself and then clearly said that he grown up, it is a changed man with a different kind of sense about humor and being controversial.
That shows something that Gina never had. Maybe in the future. If it comes to that, and Gina realises her mistake, my opinion will be the same I have with Gunn.
2) That's also your opinion. Victimization at best. It was a political decision? Maybe, I dont know. The only thing I´m sure is that Gina help them a lot in their final decision. Also, it is strange a political decision when she was going to be on a show in the making...
3) First mistake is to compare things. Gunn apologized and explained himself, Gina don't.
"Why should she grovel for her job back"
She shouldn't... She is now free to say everything she wants to say. And she has a new job, and the funny thing, a job because of her political views... LOLOL
And Disney is free from her... Its a win win situation.
I hate Nazis, and I also hate clowns dressed as Nazis or using Nazis ornamentations. It's dangerous and perpetuates hate. The sad part is that the people with Nazis ornamentations are on Gina´s side, and that alone should be a warning. So yes, it is an insult to see Gina comparing those guys with Jews in the holocaust.
Actually they are... You may not like them, and thats fair. But they had a guy who truly accepted them, and that guy was the main figure of the right... his name was Trump...
"We don't accept, nor recognize these people."
If you voted for Trump you don't have a choice... when you choose a leader you are responsible for his actions...
"They act on their own much like your Antifa Brownshirts."
And if they are on the left, the left is responsible for them too. Especially if the person in charge accepts them... The logic is exactly the same.
I dont know antifa motivations and ideas, but I know exactly of people of Nazi ornamentations think... and they are the worse thing I can imagine in a human being.
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