Good to hear the Germans are standing up to this rubbish unlike other territories it seems (it's also a plus that the German PC maket is huge). Hopefully the Germans can force EA to do a re-think of this intrusive client.

Well, i guess we have to agree to disagree on what makes a bad port, i my opinion a bad port is not when some customers and a lot of pirates have problems, because a lot of those having problems was with a badly done cracked version of it, so my suggestion to them was buy the game and support the developers. Thereby not saying there wasn´t problems :)Jacanuk

That is the thing though it wasn't just "some customers and pirates" it was a HUGE number of customers. Infact the pirates had a better time of it because they didn't have to deal with Rockstars crappy social club app that never worked properly. The problems a LOT of customers faced had nothing to do with them pirating the game and quite frankly I find it astonishing that you would use that "pathetic claim". I take it I must have been a pirate then when my Quadcore with a GTX 260 can't run GTA 4 at console settings then :roll: .

But overall GTA IV was exactly as you expected it to be, and on the pc it had various improvments over the console version so i dont think its right to call it a bad port. unless you also mention that the only thing was the tech-side and to get it to run on all pc´s and configs.Jacanuk

Really I didn't expect GTA IV to dip to single figure framerates on a quadcore nor did I expect to find that the console version had additional assets that the PC version did not have (a good example was the moon which was missing in the PC version for nearly a year). I didn't expect the PC version to have a LOWER draw distance for the car drivers than the console version either. The PC version is actually weaker than the console version in quite a few ways.

Funny with the last mission since i didn´t have any problems at all, and i guess you mean the one where you have to jump into the chopper and hit space to get up.Jacanuk

As I said a lot of people got this bug but not ALL people got it. You were lucky you didn't get the bug, but just because you didn't get the bug does not mean it isn't there

Also what menus had console? if you think about the joypad then doh, because that should be a console joypad since its a ms joypad.Jacanuk

The PC version had the exact same menu system as the console version the PC version also had a limited number of save game slots (oh look another console limitation). The PC version was a direct port of the Xbox 360 version and not only that but it was a bad port of the Xbox 360 version.

I honestly don't know why I am bothering, in my experience anyone that says GTA 4 is a good port is beyond reasoning with and is unlikely to be persuaded by the facts and will say something stupid like "oh it was just pirates having problems".

You can blame Rockstar but it is not fair and if you have been a pc gamer for 20 years you know that pc´s are as different as the person behind the screen, i have had netpartys where 5 out of 10, 15 out of 100 and that kind work perfect on a game but the rest couldn´t get it to run and that was despite pc´s almost the same config but with small differences.

Today GTA IV runs 100% perfect and if any one have a problem with it i suggest buying the game ;) Jacanuk

As I said I know PC's all have different configurations but that does not excuse Rockstars incompetence. The problems with GTA 4 were not on a few machines the problems existed on nearly ALL configurations. You were actually in a minority if you got any decent performance out of the game. I cannot remember another game that had as many problems as GTA 4 did it was a complete mess and the excuse of "different configurations" does not explain the problems away.

Today GTA IV does not run 100% perfectly, there are still several problems that were never fixed by Rockstar and every time GTA 4 goes on sale on steam or somewhere you can guarantee there will be topics across the net from new purchasers asking "how can I improve GTA4's performance" but hey I guess they must be pirates then since they are the only ones that had problems :roll:

And i can also paint the userscore as it is, a load of pirates and a small number of legit complaints, also where could you get a hold of GTA IV a month after release for 10 bucks new ?Jacanuk

You can paint any fantasy you like that doesn't change the fact that the PC version has a low 5.2 metacritic score and that is a result of the god awful port Rockstar threw at PC gamers.

Ahh i see that you have mistaken a number of different things. First of problems with running the game does not mean a bad port, it just mean that rockstar was abit to fast in getting it out. A bad port is a game like Alone in the Dark or a game where they dont even take out the console menus or check if it handles the same way or worse with a keyboard and mouse, none of those problems hit GTA IV on PC.Jacanuk

Erm no a "bad port" is not limited to rubbish like console menus (which the PC version of GTA 4 had) and there were problems with keyboard and control in the PC version of GTA 4 (many could not finish the last mission due to a bug in the control scheme for GTA 4 which they never fixed). The PC version was a bad port in every way it could possibly be a bad port.

And honestly you can blame rockstar that much, there is as many different pc specs as there is people who have played GTAJacanuk

Yes you can blame Rockstar that much it was their product. I have been a PC gamer for 20 years and I appreciate that there will always be issues due to the open nature of the PC platform. However GTA 4 ran like crap on pretty much everything out there. It did not matter if you had a dual core, quadcore, tri core, i3, i5 or i7 the game was horrendous. I saw a poll once that showed 70% of people that bought GTA 4 had problems with it. Even now today several years later we still see posts from people asking how they can actually get GTA 4 running at a playable frame rate.

Also the userscore of 5.2 is based on people who are angry because the game doesnt run perfect at once, i would say that GTA IV is one of the best selling pc games shows just how good it is.Jacanuk

You can try and paint the userscore as a result of those "angry because the game doesn't run perfect at once" or you can actually READ the reviews and see exactly what people were complaining about. You will find nearly all the reviews back up the fact that GTA 4 on the PC was a god awful port it had technical issues for nearly everyone that bought the game. As for it being the "best selling pc game" please provide proof. I would say the fact you could buy GTA 4 for £10 less than a month after release on the PC doesn't scream "this is flying off the shelves".

I dont understand the critic of the PC GTA IV , what excactly do you think is being portet badly?Jacanuk

I don't think it was ported badly I know it was ported badly. My experience of GTA 4 on a Q6600 with 4gbs of ram and a GTX260 is one of having to play the game BELOW the console equivalent settings just to get the frame rate to stay above 30fps. Now a Q6600 and a GTX260 was no slouch when GTA 4 came out and it should not have had any problem running the game massively better than the consoles but due to the sloppy job Rockstar did the game ran like crap. However I was one of the "lucky" ones, I could actually get it to run there were plenty of others that spent weeks waiting for a fix to the dreaded "Resc 10" error.

The game was such a technical mess on the PC that Rockstar ended up setting up an official account over at a fanbased forum to deal with technical problems. The patches they released (all 7 of them) usually broke more than they fixed. I remember the second patch removed huge chunks of the environment (hot dog stands that kind of thing) and we had to wait weeks for them to be re-introduced.

I could write a ten page post on all the problems with GTA 4 but instead if you really think GTA 4 was not a bad port then I suggest you google "GTA 4 PC problems" and see for yourself. There is a reason why GTA 4 has a user metacritic score of just 5.2 .

and the idea that they would take dating out? why would they its one of the things most people seem to enjoy and give more time in the game, besides you can just avoid it and just do the missions since it only counts towards the 100% mark.Jacanuk

In my experience from what I have seen the dating and friend dates crap has not been received all that well and no it was not "optional" there were several in game missions that required you mess about with that crap to progress through the story.

My reaction to this news is pretty "meh" which is in complete contrast to the GTA 4 announcement. I still remember shouting "YES" several times when GTA 4 was announced and immediately played San Andreas for several days after. However that was then and this is now, the god awful port of GTA 4 on the PC and the total incompetence of Rockstar with regards to how they handle the PC platform has pretty much killed off any interest in the GTA franchise (or anything from Rockstar).

About the only way I will purchase GTA 5 is if Rockstar release the PC version alongside the console version (other companies manage it), they do a decent job of porting it to the PC and they get rid of some of the mind numbingly boring activities such as dating and taking your friends god damn bowling. However I can't see Rockstar doing any of those things so like the DLC add ons I will just ignore the game when it does eventually come to the PC.

It appears Kotaku or (loltaku as some call it) has been making up rubbish again. According to Pete Hines the Vice President of Bethesda "it is a load of ........ "well I can't repeat the word on here for fear of sanction. He went on to say :-

Re: DOOM 4 rumor, games are done when they are done and no title under development at id has been postponed – indefinitely or otherwise.Pete Hines

Source :- http://beefjack.com/news/rumour-doom-4-indefinitely-postponed-after-rage-issues/

So that is that it seems

Why ado you assume that the multiplayer is tacked on? Its not even competitive, its Co-op. Cooperative mutiplayer modes have worked well with RPGs for decades. They opened a entire studio to work on this, so the single-player is not affected in anyway. Why do you think the game was delayed in the first place?Brean24

I honestly don't care to get into a debate about it, if you think it's a good idea to add multiplayer to the final chapter of a single player experience then more power to you I hope you enjoy it. I don't and no matter what you say you will not convince me otherwise, just like no matter what I say will not convince you otherwise.

seems like it's only on 360, not on PC or even PS3. isn't it ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lllzn-37ro0&feature=feedu

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Unfortunately No, the mp is not exclusive to the Xbox 360. Bioware has seen fit to infest all versions of ME 3 with tacked on multiplayer. They even state this in the blurb :-

The universe of Mass Effect expands with the addition of new co-op multiplayer missions, playable over Xbox Live, PSN and PC internet.Bioware shill

Source :- http://masseffect.bioware.com/me3/game/multiplayer

I'm pretty sure it leaked a few months ago that Mass Effect 3 will require Origin and not be sold on Steam. I'm holding out in case Valve can make an agreement to get it on Steam, but I don't have much hope.James00715

No it wasn't, the Digital Deluxe Edition is exclusive to Origin in that you can only buy it from Origin. You can buy Mass Effect 3 the standard edition from a number of digital retailers (just not steam) and you can buy the retail collectors edition. The question is, whether Mass Effect 3 (no matter where you buy it from) will require Origin to run ? This has not been officially answered yet although there are rumours suggesting that you will have to have Origin running to play Mass Effect 3.

As a huge Mass Effect fan I can certainly say that this news just makes me shake my head in despair. Now normally it wouldn't be a deal breaker, when I buy a single player game that has MP shoe horned in I just ignore MP. The problem with this announcement is that it makes it nearly 100% certain that Mass Effect 3 will use EA Origin. I definitely do have a problem with ME 3 using Origin and that is a deal breaker.