SO while Steam may have been lazy, they still get a cut of others sales? Wish I was in Steam's shoes.

roulettethedog

As far as I am aware Steam does not get a cut of anything unless it is purchased from the Steam store. So if you buy a game from Amazon that can be redeamed on Steam then all the money goes to Amazon, none of it goes to Steam.

As others have said "kudos" to Amazon but it is useless to me since I don't live in the US. I also do not feel comfortable with faking a US billing address. So unless Amazon wants to cater for the rest of the planet then Steam will be my goto place for sales.

The EC was a complete and utter waste of time since Bioware were never serious about actually fixing that god awful ending, it is little more than slapping lipstick on a pig. About the only redeeming feature of the EC is the fact it now allows people to access all the endings in Mass Effect 3 without being forced to play multiplayer. So with that in mind I would give it a 3 out of 10 just because it fixed that little problem and that is about it really.

You might get the synthesis option with 3025, I don't think there is a "best" synthesis ending. I was always under the impression that there was one "synthesis" ending and that hasn't changed. You also will not get the best destroy ending (if you are interested). As JangoWuzHere said you need 3100 EMS (or 6200 TMS) to get the "best" destroy ending.

If you are on the PC and don't want to risk getting to the end and finding that synthesis isn't unlocked then you could just edit your save game and give yourself a couple hundred more war assets.

I mean really guys competition > only one program (it's not that much of a hassle to use more than one)jhon9728

I totally agree competition is good which makes me wonder why you are trying to cheerlead Origin ? Firstly as others have said regional pricing is decided by the publishers and Steam gets told the price they are to sell games at. It isn't Steams fault that Australians pay more it is publishers like ..... oh I don't know EA that tell Valve to sell at an inflated price to Australian customers.

Secondly EA are one of the least competitive companies on the planet. This is a company that wants to force PC gamers to pay MORE for games. This is a company that is totally behind forcing PC gamers to pay the same price as console gamers for their games (despite the fact there is no console royalty fee on the PC). This is a company that releases day 1 DLC at $10. Now Valve on the other hand have resisted charging console prices for their PC games, Valve even gave the PC version of their game away to PS3 users. Valve produces free DLC for it's products and encourages modding of it's products as much as possible.

Hm EA saying one thing and doing another ............... damn never seem them do that before ........ oh wait yes I have. Any money I have for sales is being kept for the steam sales so EA can be as hypocritical as they like.

Hmm.. I feel the majority of hate is ban wagon jumping from what I hear, and the rest isn't really valid or is an issue tht has been fixed.jhon9728

Then you are being closed minded and it seems no matter what reasons anyone gives for disliking steam will be met with you going "you are jumping on the band wagon".

Thanks for the input charmingcharlie but things like where you talk about download speeds are not try because . I was talking about how fast I downloads compared to everything not just steam 2. The download speeds for steam are sourced externally through chosen portals that are NOT even close to be used by 50 million, and also it shouldn't matter because if try do have more the company should have more money to spend on better download speeds. So again not really valid. jhon9728

Steam is at least 5 - 6 times more popular than Origin, it is going to have slower download speeds because more people use it than they use Origin. The fact you are arguing against this point is amazing. I can tell you now if Origin had a customer pool of 50 million you would be complaining about speeds on Origin too. In fact I would go as far as saying that if Origin had a customer base of 50 million the speeds would be even worse than Steam because EA have a history of NOT investing in servers but closing servers.

Along with things like being banned means losin access to paid games is the same with steam and the rest of the issues you mentioned have been fixed showing they will change... So still not really seeing a completely valid point but I can see where your comming fromjhon9728

Please give me just one example of steam ever banning an account because of a forum post. Steam only suspends accounts when something "untowards" is happening with that account, be it an unauthorised charge back or something dodgy during purchasing a game. You could go on Steams forum and post "Gabe fornicates with Elephants" and the worst that will happen is you will lose your forum account and that is it. However up till a few months ago if you had posted "John Riccitiello shags sheep" on an EA board you would have lost your forum account and access to all your games.

Now you say that these issues being fixed show a "will to change" erm yeah after a MASSIVE uproar and campaign. They changed these things because they had no choice. They didn't change these things because they realised they were "bad ideas" they changed them because the customers rebelled and revoted and shouted and complained as much as they could.

Let me put it another way, if you have two mates one of them is always paying his way, he always buys his fair share of beers and he is fun to be round. The other mate is a pain in the arse, never pays his way, takes liberty's with your time and money and is constantly punching you in the face and apologising and saying "it won't happen again". Now which one of those would you want to hang around with the most ? and which do you think is Steam and which is EA ?

can someone explain this to me? Steam everyone hold as the saviour of pc games to many people but then why does everyone go onto hate Origin? is it just a them and us kind of thing?jhon9728

I do not consider steam the "saviour" of pc gaming, nor do I hate Origin. I don't like Origin because of it's past history, severe lack of features and the fact it is totally unnecessary.

To me from what I read it's just band wagon, hating that people jump on for no rational reason.jhon9728

No it is not a "band wagon" and there are plenty of "rational" reasons to hate Origin.

I for one get speeds i had no idea I could reach, and never could hope to get on steam.jhon9728

You get great speeds on Origin because hardly anyone is using the service. Steam at the last count has nearly 5 times the numbers using their service so naturally it is more popular and at times speeds will be slower on Steam. I would hazard a guess that if Origin had nearly 50 million people routinely using it you would have slow speeds with Origin.

My internet went out in the area for a couple of days and Steam dosen't let me play and Origin does...jhon9728

That's funny because my internet goes down regularly and I never have a problem with running my games from steam. However my mate who does have Origin can't even play Mass Effect 3 on Origin without it complaining it "cannot authenticate the DLC.

So WHAT is it that is so bad, i know EA is 'evil' because it's about making money (because steam isn't...?), people will probably take this as a troll with all the hate, byt honestly i don't see it so please post actual reasons for why origin is bad and competitors like steam are not... and not just 'because it sucks and they made mass effect 3 bad hurr durr...'jhon9728

It would've helped if you had posted in a "non-troll" like fashion, perhaps left out crap like "herp derp you hate EA cos they make money". But I will try to explain to you why I refuse to use Origin. It has nothing to do with EA making money, I want companies to make money. The more money a company makes the more they can invest in their games. However I want a company to do that in a way that does not nickel and dime me to death. Now the main reason I do not use Origin is because I do not trust EA to behave in an appropriate manner with a digital distribution service. Their history with DD has been dodgy at best. When they first introduced a download service they tried to get you to pay for an "insurance" so you could re-download what you had paid for, this was dropped after many complaints.

When Origin was first introduced it was infested with spyware and came with an EULA that gave EA a lot of power. There was an outrage and EA dialed things back a bit. Then EA had a history of banning people for unrelated gaming situations (such as forum bans) this would lead people to lose access to ALL their games. There was mass outrage about it and it only took them a year to change things. Do you see a pattern here ?

A DD platform depends on trust, I trust Valve based on their history and practices and I trust GOG based on their history and practices. However looking at EA's history and practices I wouldn't trust them to urinate on me if I was on fire. So there you go that is why I refuse to use Origin.

You're making assumptions. Not the same as opinion. And it's stupid no matter what you decide to call it.

spittis

abelieforjudgmentthatrestsongroundsinsufficienttoproducecompletecertainty.Definition of the word opinion

My goodness it certainly looks like I am declaring an "opinion" going by the actual definition of what an opinion is. No it is not stupid, I could say those spending money on Rockstars latest attempt at making a PC game are stupid, but I wouldn't do that. They have an opinion that the game will be worth the money and good luck to them. I am not going to insult them or belittle them. Just because you disagree with an opinion does not make that stupid, it means you disagree with it that is all.;

This has nothing to do with opinions, it's stupid to whine about specs and performance when the game isn't even out.spittis

It has everything to do with opinions. I am of the view that going by Rockstars history, the specs released and stuff Rockstar has been saying that this is going to be yet another crappy job by Rockstar <- that is an opinion, it is my opinion. You don't like that opinion so you childishly try to devalue it by bringing out the pathetic "whiners" card.

So people are still complaining about this game? Because of a couple of mistakes in the past?

Kind of sad, Rockstar did a LOT of work catering to the PC audience in making sure its optimized, and if you think that's unoptimized then you should really stop using a 7 year old PC to play your games.

SPYDER0416

It isn't just a "couple" of mistakes in the past, it is EVERY SINGLE GAME since GTA 3 has been an unoptimised mess on the PC. Stop trying to understate just how appaulling Rockstars work is on the PC. Their recent efforts such as bully, GTA 4 and hell LA Noire were borderline unplayable. As for this rubbish of "stop using a 7 year old PC" they managed to optimise Max Payne 3 to run on nearly 7 year old console hardware didn't they ? Max Payne 3 is a game designed and built for 7 year old consoles there is no reason why it should require a state of the art PC to run it at 1080p. Oh and Rockstar also apparently "put a lot of work catering to the PC audience" for GTA 4 and we all know how that turned out don't we.