what happened was this: Remember when Origin first released? These boards went crazy with theories that EA was scanning ur PC and lots of people just believed it without even looking into it. The EXACT same thing happened when Steam came out. Now a few months down the road some of us have tested Origin and found out that it's just a normal software which provides a stable service and isn't big brother. But, some people still believe the conspiracy theory because it's EA.FelipeInside

Erm no what actually happened was this :-

EA released an updated EULA to go with Origin that gave them wide ranging rights to data mine your PC. There was an uproar about several aspects of the EULA. Then it was SHOWN that Origin WAS sniffing outside it's directory which re-inforced people's worries about the system. EA then went on a charm offensive reworded the EULA to make it sound more "friendly" made statements about "Oh we wouldn't do that honest we wouldn't". Then they claimed the Origin software would be updated.

As of now the Origin software currently behaves in a more proper fashion than it did at launch. However people such as myself (an EA hater apparently) have found the trust that we would have had in EA completely broken and it will take a hell of a lot to get that trust back. That is before you consider the other issues about people not wanting yet another DD client, or those that don't want a DD client at all (there are some). Then there are those that do not trust EA because of the way EA handle forum bans. There are several reasons why Origin is not finding favour with a lot of PC gamers but hey no apparently to one or two on here it is all a conspiracy theory or EA haters.

Origin is by EA, hence the hate. QuistisTrepe_

I am getting sick and tired of seeing this rubbish. This has nothing to do with "hate", I feel the same way about EA as I feel about Valve, Blizzard, Take Two, Bethseda or any other developer/publisher. This is not about hate this is about T R U S T .

If I hated EA I would never have pre-ordered Mass Effect 1 or Mass Effect 2 or Crysis or dozens of the other games I have from EA. I trusted EA enough to provide me with games to play. However because of EA's history I do not trust them enough to allow them the privilege of installing a direct distribution client to my PC.

Now does this mean I am against DD on the PC ? of course not, I like millions of other PC gamers regularly use Steam. I do this not because I like Valve more than I like EA. I allow Valve to have the privilege of having a DD client on my PC because they have shown they can be TRUSTED with the responsibility that comes with the DD client.

IF EA said tomorrow that Mass Effect 3 would come with Origin but Origin would be optional for those that didn't want it then I would happily fork out money for the game and not bother with Origin because like I said I trust EA to provide me with a game but I DO NOT trust them to run a DD client on my PC. That obviously is not going to happen and since I cannot see any reason whatsoever to trust EA with Origin I am left with only one option and that is to no longer purchase or play EA games.

That is what I will do in the future, I already steer well clear of Ubisoft stuff so now Ubisoft will have some company. This is NOT about hate this is an issue of trust. If you trust EA enough to allow them to install Origin on your PC then that is your business. I am certainly not trying to persuade anyone to switch to my view. However at the same time respect those that do not trust EA with something like Orign and stop trying to devalue our position by equating it to "hate".

Does that mean you will be pirating it then? :P Elann2008

No it does not mean I will be pirating it, I know the way people on this board think which is why I specifically said "I will not be purchasing OR PLAYING Mass Effect 3". If you pirate a game that uses Origin then that is just as bad as buying the game. Pirating a game such as Mass Effect 3 gives EA justification for crap like Oriign, I do not want to support or justify Origin in any way whatsoever.

"I on the other hand do not like the way the company has behaved in the past and I do not like the way the company is behaving now and as such I tend to not reward those companies with my money." Then don't play ME3 even on PS3... don't play ANY EA Game from now on. Fair?FelipeInside

Erm that was my point, I don't even own a console. I have stated all along that I will not be purchasing or playing Mass Effect 3 on any platform and I have said that I will not be buying EA games till I see a drastic change in the way EA behaves on the PC platform. This whole discussion has come about because YOU asked me why I find EA so questionable.

EA does not support SOPA.

If only people would bother to check their facts after they hear something.

Baranga

Perhaps I should have been clearer they only just recently withdrew open support for Sopa only after enough people kicked up a fuss about it (seeing a pattern here). However a case can still be made that they clandestinely support SOPA because the ESA is in support of and EA is a member of the ESA.

Isn't SOPA to fight piracy? And we don't know what SOPA is going or not going to do yet, so let's not jump to conclusions. Might be bad, might be not so bad.FelipeInside

Perhaps you should read up on SOPA and find out why people think it is a bad thing rather than going "meh it might be bad it might not".

Destroyed? As you mean BOUGHT? The developer has to sell for them to be able to buy u know.FelipeInside

It doesn't change the fact that EA ran PC devs into the ground and destroyed alot of cherished PC developers along with a lot of PC franchises.

If ur being an idiot on the forums and u get banned, then u deserve it. I agree loosing ALL the game is a bit harsh, but penalties need to be enforced. Same applies to anything, if I'm being an idiot at a gym, I'll get banned and my account deleted, even if I paid a whole year.FelipeInside

I am not arguing that they shouldn't be banned from the forums. If you cause problems in a forum yes you should be banned. However you should not be banned from playing the games you paid for. This isn't about the punishment fitting the crime here. When you are banned from a forum it is not a "punishment" it is a mechanism to remove you from the forum so you no longer disturb other forum goers. However EA by involving people's games collection in this ban have over stepped the mark and it is a douchebag policy that I can't believe any gamer in their right mind would defend.

.Questionable being the key word. No one had prove and people went all crazy about it, same thing happened when Steam was released. Now Origin is out, nothing has happened to anyone who has used it.FelipeInside

There were plenty of videos, snapshots and plenty of people analysing what Origin was up too and there was a clear consensus that Origin was snooping where it shouldn't. This caused a huge fuss and since then EA has changed the way Origin works.

You have proof of this?FelipeInside

Proof of what ? That they raised their games to console level pricing for PC games ? There have been many threads and topics about it. Proof that they have kept DLC at artifically high levels because they can ? Well check the DLC for Mass Effect 2 that has never recieved a price cut or sale on the PC ever. As for proof that EA does not think PC gaming exists outside of the EA well next time EA have an Origin sale pay attention to how many countries can access that sale.

Guess u don't read much of the forums hey? It's not trolling, but every time someone here says something good about EA, Blizzard or BioWare, the hammer comes down on them. BUT when either of those companies make a mistake, or get "greedy" in the business, they get slaughtered. Don't tell me most people here don't hate EA?FelipeInside

I haven't seen EA do anything good in a long time. You have to ask yourself though WHY do people hate EA ? Just what is it that EA does that makes people hate them yet at the same time a lot of the same people have praise for Valve. This isn't just fanboyism here there is a reason why EA is "hated" and Valve isn't. Do you honestly think people wake up in the morning and go "hm I will hate EA today" ? No people develop a dislike for companies based on how those companies treat them and right now a lot of people feel like EA is treating them like crap.

Now I honestly cannot be bothered to keep this going. If you have no problem with EA and Origin then that is your take on things I really cannot be bothered to try and change your mind about it. I on the other hand do not like the way the company has behaved in the past and I do not like the way the company is behaving now and as such I tend to not reward those companies with my money.

What has EA done that makes them so questionable and the devil?FelipeInside

Well for a starters they support SOPA and as we all know that has wide ranging implications for the websites we know and love. Secondly they have destroyed many great PC developers and hey they even had the audacity to name their DRM crap after one of them. Thirdly their banning policy is not just wrong it is obscene, a forum ban = you losing ALL your games. Now if you can justify that then there really is no point in me even trying to rationalise things with you. Fourthly when their new "origin" client was released it did questionable things that EA only rectified when PC gamers kicked up a stink about it. Fifthly they are extremely anti-competitive and use their position to hike up PC game prices to console level and do their best to ensure DLC never goes on sale for the PC, not to mention the fact EA seems to think no one outside of the US actually plays on the PC.

Now I personally don't give a crap if this game is on steam or not. That is certainly not an issue with me, I had the retail version pre-ordered and I really didn't care that it was not available on Steam. I "tolerate" Steam I am not a huge fan of steam and I will use it for some low level cheap purchases but that is about it. However although I am willing to tolerate steam I am unwilling to afford EA the same courtesy because of their behaviour and practices.

They won't, it's EA. It's like saying Satan on these forums.FelipeInside

That is just trolling right there, no one on this topic has equated EA to Satan you are just trying to exagerate people's arguments. EA has an incredibly dodgy history in nearly all areas does that make them Satan ? No it doesn't make them Satan but it does make them a company I do not wish to conduct business with or support with my custom.

Mate there have been instances where Valve have been very questionable. Take MW2 for example, thousands of people got banned for no reason, and all Valve did was compensate them with Left 4 Dead 2. How is that even fair? They were nowhere near the same price at the time.Arthur96

How was that acting "questionable" ? Yes it was a mistake and they were compensated with a game and unbanned. That wasn't acting "questionably" that was acting appropriately after a screw up.

Valve employees aren't angels like many make them out to be, I'm honestly tired of all the Steam/Valve fanboys, it makes me sick to the bone.Arthur96

I never said Valve were angels however compared to the crap EA pulls Valve are saints. That seems to be the point you keep missing, yes both companies have their faults and areas that they could imporve but EA is the one that goes out of it's way to screw the customer every way possible.

You don't get banned from a forum unless you act like an idiot.:roll:topsemag55

Actually it seems like you do get banned from a forum because you don't act like an idiot. There is a well documented case where someone was banned from EA forums (and their games) because their NAME was quoted in an offensive post.

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[QUOTE="Arthur96"]Actually, Valve ban quite a lot of innocent people. Knowing their infamous support, said people never did get their accounts back.

Far from trustworthy if you ask me.

Arthur96

Where is your proof then ? if Valve bans lots of innocent people I would like to see some evidence of this.

Google is your friend.

So in other words you cannot find a single documented case of any innocent person being banned from steam. I checked google before I posted and I did not find a single case of an innocent person being banned from Steam. I had hoped you would provide a documented case that you know of but apparently I was hoping too much. I checked your crappy google search and the bans in that search result are all related to VAC bans which happen when you CHEAT in Multiplayer. As far as I am aware a VAC ban does not ban your account it just prevents you playing any multiplayer games that use the VAC protection.

I never said for one minute that Valve doesn't ban people from their service, it does but you have to be doing something pretty crappy to get banned from it. So unless you have an actual documented case where some one was banned from their steam account for no reason whatsoever the you have nothing. However in EA's case there are plenty of documented events where users were banned from their entire Origin account over something as silly and mundane as a forum post. There is even a situation where a user got banned from their games in Origin and they didn't even do anything wrong, their only crime was having their name quoted in an offensive post. So like I said till you can show us documented proof that Valve bans innocent people you do not have a leg to stand on.

Actually, Valve ban quite a lot of innocent people. Knowing their infamous support, said people never did get their accounts back.

Far from trustworthy if you ask me.

Arthur96

Where is your proof then ? if Valve bans lots of innocent people I would like to see some evidence of this.

Steam has all the control over your games, and the right to ban you if they want to, for no reason at all.Arthur96

They don't do they ? oh my I am shocked to learn that I really am :roll: Yes I know the steam gives Valve an unprecedented level of control over my games. However and this is the DIFFERENCE, Steam have shown they can be trusted with that control EA has not. In fact EA this past year has shown through their wave of nonsensical moronic forum bannings that they cannot be trusted with such a level of control over our accounts.

It comes down to trust, yes I do trust Valve to behave in an appropriate manner because of their track record. I do not however trust EA to behave appropriately therefore I want nothing to do with Origin.