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#1 dausley
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t accept the wage of sin being paid by Jesus Christ and repent and turn away from our sins, we will go to Hell. God doesn't need us, we need Him and his sacrifice for us to be saved. His will is for us to be saved, but he in no regards desires us to do what he pleases. Our purpose for our existence is to be fulfilled through Jesus Christ, not just to reproduce and have material and earthly things such as money and pleasure engulf us. We are here for heavenly things, but if you do not believe the things I say pertaining to earthly things, you'll never understand heavenly things.

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I've asked this question at least twice, yet you haven't replied to it.

Why did God create such imperfect people, then sacrafice his son to forgive our flaws? Surely it would have been easier for him to create perfect beings from the start, right?

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#2 dausley
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Why the greeks did. Their gods are frauds used for profit and sacrifice.

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As if Jesus and the Christian God weren't used for profit or sacrifice either? By sacrifice, I mean more "killing" in the name of God. 

 

 

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#3 dausley
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[QUOTE="dausley"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

Did they come before the Judeo-Christian God? The same God that promised the messiah to Abraham as he chose the Jews to be His sacred people?

Why do you think those other gods existed while God deemed Abraham loyal to Him? Those people worshipped false gods and dwelled in their sins.

The Greek Gods were an invention by man, for they resembled human characteristics.

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The Greek Gods have just as much proof as does yours? Who are you to tell me that you're right and they were wrong?

Thes gods are from man, for they bear man's likeness. The greek gods said to be located in olympus. We went there and found nothing. These gods do not offer redemption from sins.

Biblical prophecy, a number of documents documenting Jesus Christ's existence and supernatural acts and logic allows me to see the greek gods with no foundation, nor any proof or reasoning for different gods with different earthly elements.

Your God has human traits too, such as love and desire. Plus, I can take a piece of work, say, Homer's Illiad, and use that as a primary source documenting the Greek God's existance. It talks about the Gods, as well as many supernatural acts they may have performed.

 

God does not desire. You still haven't proven to me that love exists, let alone is a human characteristic. And maybe your interpretation of love doesn't define the relationship between man and God?

Had not the jews existed with the greeks and Hindus? Had they not have their own God with their own beliefs? Have we not debunked their gods from baseless facts about them living in olympus? Had not Christ debunked these fake messiahs as we have debunked fakers like Krishna? Are we not judged for our actions? Is the reasoning that a liar, a thief and a blasphamer should not be rewarded salvation? If such things were granted, would such god/gods be righteous? If not, the Judeo-Christian God is a bigger and better god, for he tampers into human affairs, becomes a man,professes his word and sheds his blood.

Bluntly, what makes the Judeo-Christian God true? Jesus Christ.

If God does not desier, than why does he want us to worship him? Don't tell me "He doesn't, we need him", or whatever, as you've stated many times that if we don't believe, we go to hell.

Love is an emotion, and being such, we cannot see it. However, we CAN see the effects of love, or even feel it ourselves. Since God and Jesus supposedly "loved" us, they have emotions. John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

 

And whatever your arguement is in that second paragraph is, I won't read it. You lost all credibility when you said that Christ "debunked" these "fake" messiahs. Just because you believe in Christ doesn't make  Christianity any better than these other religions. You said before that you wanted to spread the Gospel (or something like that). Well, your incredibly narrow-minded and biased arguements are damaging my opinion of Christianity. Are all Christians elitists like this guy?

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#4 dausley
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[QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

Did they come before the Judeo-Christian God? The same God that promised the messiah to Abraham as he chose the Jews to be His sacred people?

Why do you think those other gods existed while God deemed Abraham loyal to Him? Those people worshipped false gods and dwelled in their sins.

The Greek Gods were an invention by man, for they resembled human characteristics.

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The Greek Gods have just as much proof as does yours? Who are you to tell me that you're right and they were wrong?

Thes gods are from man, for they bear man's likeness. The greek gods said to be located in olympus. We went there and found nothing. These gods do not offer redemption from sins.

Biblical prophecy, a number of documents documenting Jesus Christ's existence and supernatural acts and logic allows me to see the greek gods with no foundation, nor any proof or reasoning for different gods with different earthly elements.

There are no supernatural facts or ACTS to prove Christianity.

Who are you to say that Olympus can only be reached by the same means as heaven?

There is no proof to the existence of YOUR GOD, and there is nothing to back up that any miracles in the bible were true either.

You're letting your bias show.

Haven't you been paying attention? It's been showing throughout this whole thread.

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#5 dausley
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.......bacause I said so, that's why.

So there!

Take it away! Wheeeeeeeeeeee!

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Best arguement yet. 

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#6 dausley
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[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="Ineedtofindyou"]

Did they come before the Judeo-Christian God? The same God that promised the messiah to Abraham as he chose the Jews to be His sacred people?

Why do you think those other gods existed while God deemed Abraham loyal to Him? Those people worshipped false gods and dwelled in their sins.

The Greek Gods were an invention by man, for they resembled human characteristics.

Ineedtofindyou

The Greek Gods have just as much proof as does yours? Who are you to tell me that you're right and they were wrong?

Thes gods are from man, for they bear man's likeness. The greek gods said to be located in olympus. We went there and found nothing. These gods do not offer redemption from sins.

Biblical prophecy, a number of documents documenting Jesus Christ's existence and supernatural acts and logic allows me to see the greek gods with no foundation, nor any proof or reasoning for different gods with different earthly elements.

Your God has human traits too, such as love and desire. Plus, I can take a piece of work, say, Homer's Illiad, and use that as a primary source documenting the Greek God's existance. It talks about the Gods, as well as many supernatural acts they may have performed. 

 

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#7 dausley
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[QUOTE="cory4513"][QUOTE="MichaeltheCM"]GOD 100% OF THE WAY!!! WOOT WOOT!!!! :)Ineedtofindyou

Do you beleive in the spaggetti monster too?

Spagetti exists. Animals with fierce, destructive characteristics exist. Where did the idea of an invisible God come from? Try to think up something that doesn't exist. As you try, you'll always fail. If god didn't exist, you couldn't even think of it.

Sure, spaghetti exists, as do fierce animals. But we're not breaking the spaghetti monster down into his noodly parts. We're talking about a monster made of spaghetti. This does (to my knowledge, anyway) exist. 

How could we NOT think of things that don't exist? That's what an imagination is for. Do you think all these inventors saw the plans for their inventions somewhere and then built them? No, they imagined the ideas themselves. What they imagined did not exist at the time, but they managed to think of it (create it, even!). 

Here's another example. Dragons. They don't exist, yet many cultures have thought them up (as well as other mythical creatures). 

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#8 dausley
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God alone is perfect. Can God create himself? Why don't you use the thing you claim "religious" people don't use, which is logic and reasoning?

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If God is so "perfect", then why does he desire for us to worship him? Desire is a negative feeling that should not be present in a perfect being.

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#9 dausley
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~-~Yep, and I'll be one until I'm married.~-~The_PirateKing

Now THERE'S a smart man.  

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#10 dausley
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The same assertion can be asked about love, respect or even value.

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As I said before, these things can be expressed. A soul, however, cannot.