There was also a quote from a Rockstar rep (can't remember if it was the same one) in which he acknowledged that there were drawbacks to working with both (yes BOTH) systems. I agree that the HDD should be assumed for these games, but it's not like that's the only issue for devs. Talk to Bethesda about the PS3's blu-ray read speeds...

Also, here's a link from another System Wars thread:

http://www.gamesradar.com/us/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=20070725111542242077&releaseId=20060313153735796095

A Rockstar rep is quoted as saying that if you want the "full" GTAIV experience (with downloadable episodes, etc.), he guesses you should buy the 360 version. So I'm not too worried about the 360 holding the game back...;)

SeanBond

Now I would really like to see a quote on Blu-Ray Read speeds considering that at a minimum the read speed has to be 76Mbps in order to play BluRay DVD's and a 16x DVD drive reads at about 22MBps.

I'd like to know how much an influence you had on your mother and girlfriend moving on to games like Mario, Mega Man and Zelda. I refuse to believe that somebody would just start on Tetris and then move on to something more serious without having somebody talking to them about the more "hardcore" games.

Secondly, whenNintendo's focus is stuff like Wii Fit and they're telling "core gamers" to basically f' off they are failing. Not the industry but the people whogrewup playing their games and supported themall these years.Before they went in their current direction I was huge Nintendo fan, but now they're essentially saying people like me don't matter anymore. Sure I'll get MP 3, SMG and SSBB, and another Zelda, and all will be great games, but where are the new franchises for the"core" gamer? There aren't any and ones that could possiblybe appealing,like Project Hammer, are being cancelled in favor of garbage like Wii Fit.

Gamer46

First of all I had no influence on my Mom or my girlfriend. The way that my Mom got into it was because of curiosity. She picked up my gameboy one day when I was like 8, I really didn't know how to talk people into gaming at that age. She started playing, she loved tetris and so she tried some other games. Now that I think about it more, Dr Mario was next, so the next logical progression was to play another mario game hence Super Mario Land. It wasn't until I found out that she beat SML before me that I started to recommend games to her.

My girlfriend I def had a hand in, but she had already been playing Guitar Hero for some time, it has quite a large following at the College she graduated from. I told her since she liked it she should try something diffrent....I of course recommend Super Paper Mario...Once again it seems that Mario is a key player. After she beat that....before me too....I moved her onto Zelda, so that is that story.

All Nintendo is trying to do is get people to play, even if it is Wii Fit, then they throw a Mario character in, then people make the connection Mario = Fun, they buy Mario, proggresion continues.

I don't think Nintendo has told anyone to F off as you like to put it. I think what they have said from the begining is that they want to appeal to everyone, gamers and non gamers alike. Just because you take offense to the non gaming games doesn't mean that Nintendo is ruining gaming for anyone.

That is like saying that Disney ruined movies because they only put out Family centric movies. Or Hanah Montana ruined music because it isn't rap/rock. Or the Discovery Channel ruined TV because it is educational.

Your inability to see the bigger picture is actually what is ruining games.

And I highly doubt that Project Hammer was scrapped on the sole merit of Nintendo wants to do Wii fit.

The point that graphics matter is not valid, the PS2, Wii, and DS are the 3 top selling systems and none of them are graphically superior.

May I also introduce one of, if not the most casual game of all time. Tetris. Yes that is right, it is tetris, tetris is the game that got my Mom to play a gameboy, from there she played Super Mario, then Mega Man, then a Zelda game. Tetris is what got my mom into playing videogames today.

You want to know what got my girlfriend into playing games, Guitar Hero, once again I will make the case that this game is not designed with the "hardcore" in mind. Now she has played Super Paper Mario and Zelda TP.

You know what got many people into play games before many of us were even alive....Pong....Friggin PONG. I am talking about table tennis done in possibly the worst incarnation of an outside game ever.....ever yet it was a hit. Another one, Pac Man, quite a game that most people of all ages have played.

Just because Nintendo is saying hey, how can we get people to play videogames, get them hooked, and are coming up with solutions does not mean that Nintendo is failing the videogame industry at all.

Ive got it... i never use it...but ive got it! :D YDL5.0. And im even completely annoyed that it doesnt support WiFi. :D hurray.

Also-Windows can technically be put on the ps3...

You could emulate windows with linux if you really wanted too...o.o

callumohare

While possible, I think you run into the problem with a lack of Ram, anyone who knows anything bout windows know's how Ram intensive it is.

You can put Ubunut, YDL, and Fedora all on there with little to no problems.

I am also currently running a 2TB Media server with Ubuntu Server, Media Tomb, Samba, and Folding@Home all running on it. I can watch all my movies without ever having to put in a DVD, I can listen to all my music without ever having to put in a CD and it is awesome.

However, even though you can put Linux on your PS3 there really at this time is no point, maybe if Sony puts out a SDK with access to the GPU then it will be worth it, but till then I wouldn't bother.

Also

I will take a diffrent stance in my argument to the TC.

Nintendo was the system that really brought videogames into the limelight as a serious form of media entertainment. They did this with the NES, SNES, and especially it's Gameboy system. I think one thing that everyone is overlooking is weren't we all just casual gamers at one point and time.

I mean I have played/owned almost every system since the Atari 2600, with a little help from my Aunt giving me her Atari systems along with an NES for christmas. And I want to believe that my game selection has become more "hardcore" as I became older and began to appreciate the art, storytelling, and gameplay of videogames. And yet I still own a Wii, I sitll own a PS3, and I own a PC which I built for gaming.

Yet I still find myself playing the games that got me into gaming so many years ago...almost 2 decades now. I still play Mario and Zelda. I don't play the offshoots for the most part, but the core series I still play. But what is great about these two specific franchises....they appeal to all gamers of all ages. I mean I was playing Ocarina of Time when I was 17 right along side my little brother who was 10.

I think you are missing the point of what Nintendo does best, and that is introduce gaming to the masses to cement gaming as a viable, respectable medium which is worthy of recieving the acceptance that the movie, music, and comic book industry have.

I hate to get political but if you want to have gaming taken seriously then Nintendo is your best friend.

You haven't proved a thing. Nintendo and the third parties making games for Wii are still more focused on "simplfying" games adn they'd rather make trash like Wii Fit than something epic as evidence by Nintendo's pathetic showing at E3 and their idiotic ramblings at GDC before that.

Gamer46

Metroid, Super Mario, Zelda...all quite epic if you ask me

I will take a diffrent stance in my argument to the TC.

Nintendo was the system that really brought videogames into the limelight as a serious form of media entertainment. They did this with the NES, SNES, and especially it's Gameboy system. I think one thing that everyone is overlooking is weren't we all just casual gamers at one point and time.

I mean I have played/owned almost every system since the Atari 2600, with a little help from my Aunt giving me her Atari systems along with an NES for christmas. And I want to believe that my game selection has become more "hardcore" as I became older and began to appreciate the art, storytelling, and gameplay of videogames. And yet I still own a Wii, I sitll own a PS3, and I own a PC which I built for gaming.

Yet I still find myself playing the games that got me into gaming so many years ago...almost 2 decades now. I still play Mario and Zelda. I don't play the offshoots for the most part, but the core series I still play. But what is great about these two specific franchises....they appeal to all gamers of all ages. I mean I was playing Ocarina of Time when I was 17 right along side my little brother who was 10.

I think you are missing the point of what Nintendo does best, and that is introduce gaming to the masses to cement gaming as a viable, respectable medium which is worthy of recieving the acceptance that the movie, music, and comic book industry have.

I hate to get political but if you want to have gaming taken seriously then Nintendo is your best friend.

I agree with most of your points, although I'd like to point out that the "superior technology does not guarantee success" also can easily be used against the PS3. Also, while having a lead isn't that big of a deal, the difference between the 360 and Dreamcast (God rest its wonderful soul) is that the 360 is getting enormous 3rd partysupport, whereas the DC didn't. 3rd party support is what made the PS2 what it is (or was), and if the 360 continues to receive said support, I don't see the PS3 ever being able to turn the tables in any significant manner.

SeanBond

Point taken about the superior technology, my point was that some people believe that the 360 is in fact superior to PS3, hardware talk aside your second point is mute. The reason, yes the 360 has the 3rd party support that the DC lacked but the PS3 has the same 3rd party support.

The truth is we still need to take a wait and see approach, but as an owner of 2 Xbox's, I was really turned off to MS offering this generation and now with the abysmal hardware failure's that the 360 is suffering from I am still going to wait around.

I think what really has happened is that MS has appealed to the older gamer out there, especially here in the US. I think many people who adopted the XBox are adopting the 360 as their platform, mostly because the XBox is dead and if they want to keep getting games they had to upgrade.

This however is not true in Sony's case. They have continued to support the PS2 and have had amazing games come out for it in just the last year. I think many people are waiting for the games to make the upgrade which if we look to the lineup over the next 8 months or so is strong.

I think that 360 sales are going to start to taper off, I see the Wii and the PS3 surpassing the 360 by the end of 2008, the Wii first, the PS3 later. I also think the PS3 will take off to PS2 type sales Christmas 2008.

But this is just what I think, I just hope my points seem more educated then Xboxor is the l3373ST.