this has been touted as some new breakthrough card but is only a double Fury X, right? is it really worth a couple hundred more than a pair of Fury X?

HBM has looked pretty cool on paper from what I've seen. but i really haven't seen many enthusiasts talking about their new awesome levels of gaming with the Fury cards.

@scymitar: what driver issues? out of my ~120 games installed i have zero driver issues with any of them running my 8GB 290X.

and you may be surprised how much more popular Intel CPUs are than AMD's these passed few years. at any PC focused site you will see many more users with the new 6000 series Skylake than any AMDs. even before these latest gens most informed budget builders were leaning towards the cheaper fewer core Intels than the FX series.

@thedoriengrey: that is definitely not true. the last AMD/Intel comparison I did was also using a 3570K vs a new 8350 and there is very little difference in performance, one pulling slightly ahead of the other back and forth in different games/application. considering the 3570K was quite a bit more expensive I would say that puts the AMD at a better price per performance.

Intel 3570K @4.4GHz (MSI Z77A-GD65 Gaming) vs AMD FX-8350 @4.4GHz (ASUS Sabertooth 990FX R2.0)

GTX 770 4GB - G.Skill Ripjaws Z DDR3 2400 8GB - SATA 6GBs 7200RPM - @ 1920x1080p Ultra Settings

BENCHMARKS

Tomb Raider

• · 3570K @ 4xMSAA - Max FPS: 46 / Avg FPS: 37.1
• · 3570K @ 2xMSAA - Max FPS: 60 / Avg FPS: 43
• · FX-8350 @ 4xMSAA - Max FPS: 42.7 / Avg: 37.3
• · FX-8350 @ 2xMSAA - Max FPS: 62 / Avg: 39.6

Hitman Absolution

• · 3570K @ 8xMSAA - Max FPS: 42.7 / Avg FPS: 32.7
• · 3570K @ 2xMSAA - Max FPS: 100 / Avg FPS: 56.4
• · FX-8350 @ 8xMSAA - Max FPS: 104 / Avg: 33.7
• · FX-8350 @ 2xMSAA - Max FPS: 78 / Avg: 61

Dirt 3

• · 3570K @ 8xMSAA - Min FPS: 91 / Avg FPS: 109.6
• · 3570K @ 2xMSAA - Max FPS: 106 / Avg FPS: 129.5
• · FX-8350 @ 8xMSAA - Max FPS: 90 / Avg: 109
• · FX-8350 @ 2xMSAA - Max FPS: 104 / Avg: 127

3DMark Advanced

Ice Storm (Maxed Settings)

• · 3570K - Score: 153222
• · FX-8350 - Score: 151269

Fire Strike (Maxed Settings)

• · 3570K - Score: 3943
• · FX-8350 - Score: 3981

the maps and load screens may be beautiful but the characters ingame look like pixellated garbage.

providing a refund for a product someone "decided they did not want" or "was misrepresented" is a pretty weak idea. i could buy and copy every movie and album out there and just state that "i decided i didn't want them" and then return them for a full refund? or download every game Steam offers one by one, play through them, then demand a refund?

i thought Steam already had the practice that you had a short amount of time for a refund with no questions asked anyway?

@drachmaserus: they do have the option to not operate in the US if they don't like the trade laws. same as Valve has the option to not operate in AUS if they wish.

but operating somewhere outside of your home nation and thinking you don't have to abide by their laws is a rather stupid idea.

that's really cool of them. this was a great game.

@Moondrake: all would probably agree that development should've been more on the ball considering that the PS3 version was almost unplayable for most. but the PC version gave me zero issues through the 200+ hours I've played. the first ~120 hours(at release) were base game content alone so it wasn't the user generated "patches" that made it 100% playable.

i had more problems with Morrowind's quests and even more problems with Oblivion's glitches like getting stuck and polygons clipping. no one's claiming Bethesda's games are perfect that's for sure, but how many super large RPGs are?

@Xylymphydyte: a "remake" would be them just remaking the original game with same setting, characters, etc.

"reboot" is usually more on the lines of taking ideas from the original and taking a dump on them.

a "reboot"? that is rather disappointing. was really hoping for an actual continuation of the first game.

the native american tie-ins were pretty awesome in the original. hopefully this incorporates something on the same lines.