non of this gay marriage bothers me...if they want to go to all this trouble to demote"love"[or a brain problem that makes them want to fight nature]to the aesthetics of a certificate, whatever rocks their boat.
But... when it comes down to religion, the government should have absolutely no power to "grant" them to do it. It should be left up to the church.

and also gay fertilisation is playing god, completly sick and the guilty ignorant doctors should be shotRED_REDie

As has been stated before, being homosexual is not a mental disorder. That theory was debunked years ago. It is also not unnatural, there is plenty of evidence of homosexuality amongst animals.

Everyone has opportunities that they have to make. But most people go with what is expected of them. Sometimes they don't. That is free will in that you have choices. You can't predict the future, and nothing is laid out ahead of time. holdenlowe

You may appear to have choices but how can you be sure that you really do, it is possible that there is only one choice you could make.

I'm going to try and explain this idea but its kinda of tricky. When the universe began with the big bang all theatoms were flung out and set in motion and they began interacting with each other in amazingly complicated ways, becoming increasingly complicated as time went on, eventually some of them came together to make up humans. The atoms (and sub atomic particles) that make us up are subject to the same laws the govern all the others, so what looks like a free choice could really be just the inevitable interactions of forces between the particles in our bodies

In other words, The big bang set up the initial conditions and since we are made up of the same atoms we are just part of the giant machine that is the universe.

I havent explained it well and i don't really believe it myself but hopefully you get what i mean

[QUOTE="erc500"][QUOTE="drewtwo99"]

[QUOTE="erc500"]What guy?darkfox101

Yeah... you know.... the one.

Oh, the one, of course, i know who you mean. Can't argue with that guy

Is it Nostradumus your thinking of? And if it is, he has been pretty much shown to be a mad man with about as much abiltiy to predict the future as a rock does

Yes......but you will have consequences for your actions....be they legal, emotional, etc.LJS9502_basic

We may or may not have free will, but your correct, we must assume that we do in terms of the law and relationships otherwise society would crumble as people use the lack of free will as an excuse for doing anything

[QUOTE="erc500"]What guy?drewtwo99

Yeah... you know.... the one.

Oh, the one, of course, i know who you mean. Can't argue with that guy

Free will is a very tricky one. For a long time it looked like the answer was no because god knew everything we would do which means we have no real free will, it might have looked likeour choices but really everything was inevitable. Then along came advances in science which lead to people questioning god which seemed to indicate we do have free will. But the more advanced we got the more deterministic the universe became and it once again seemed like everything was inevitable since we are made of the same stuff as everything else and are subject to the same laws that govern the rest of the universe. We appeared to be little more than cogs in a giant machine.

Then came the huge advance of quantum mechanics and physics which showed the universe to be just the apparently random interactions of forces on the sub atomic level. Now i'm not sure if this means we have free will or if everything is random but i am pretty certain there is no destiny, fate or pre-planned future

whoop dee do..i dont care what gay couples do in their spare time..they can go off & have a gay festival..i dont care.

Its the fact that youre trying to say something is right when the great majority of the world knows its morally wrong. Now dont get me wrong..Im not going to picket outside some gay couples house & protest..i simply dont care. The thing that pisses me off is when gay couple receive marriage benefits..when it comes down to it..it has to do with $$$. Why should they get the same benefits as a straight couplethat has 8 kids?

SouthernPride10

They only get the same benefits as a straight couple with 8 kids if they themselves have 8 kids. What this really comes down to is you being an ignorant **** wit with outdated views that hold no real value in our society. Most of the civilised world has realised by now that homosexuals are no different to heterosexuals

[QUOTE="erc500"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="erc500"]

Hardly end of story. You shouldnt be forced to fight a war that you feel is not only illegal but immoral. It would be different if there was actually a direct threat to america that could be solved by the draft but Iraq is not and has never been a threat to America

ElZilcho90

Does not matter.

It kind of does. This isnt the middle ages. We are supposed to be a civilised people and civilised people do not fight in illegal wars. Forcing people into the army is a sure sign the war is being lost.

And anyway, its not cowardly to be against the killing of others and to not want to take part in it

It's not a sure sign that the war is lost. It's a sign that it's a huge war that requires added manpower. Because we had a draft in WWII, did that mean we were going to lose the war? What about the first world war?

All this "illegal war" stuff about Iraq doesn't matter. There's no reason why Iraq should even be brought up into this conversation. The only possible way the US would reinstate the draft would be if WWIII broke out.

Ok then, putting Iraq aside, being forced into fighting is wrong. If you volunteer then thats cool, but if you have no interest in fighting it doesnt make you a coward or selfish. People fight for what they believe in, and when they believe in something they fight harder. I would never fight in an aggressive war but if my country was invaded i would be first to enlist, does that mean i'm a half coward?

[QUOTE="erc500"]Old Boy, a great korean revenge moviecrucifine

You should check out Sympathy for lady vengeance. Its from the same director and looks at revenge from a different angle, its also very good