Nothing needs proven about macro evolution because there is no such thing.

Speciation has been observed in the galapagos islands in the galapagos finches

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[QUOTE="123625"]Sigh im just sick of people telling me Evolution is fact when it isnt.123625

But there is the fact that evolution occurs. The theory only explains how it happens. You just seem to have this weird notion that there's 'kinds' of animals, a notion that isn't held by scientists.

Then why are people getting more and more stupid with each passing generation? Take a look at a 2nd grade school book from 1805. A senior in highschool could barely read that thing nowadays. De-Evolution occurs. Things degrade.

You don't get it do you. Stop trying to tell me Evolution is a fact when it is not.

Frankly, whether or not you think evolution happens is irrelevant. It is known that variation occurs and the theory of evolution (a highly regarded and rigorously tested theory) points towards speciation occuring to explain the amazing diversity of life on the planet

mohfrontline, evolution doesn't neccesarily mean animals get stronger, faster or smarter, they just get better suited to their environment so there is no such thing as de-evolution

Sigh im just sick of people telling me Evolution is fact when it isnt.123625

Look, evolution is the change in the gene pool of a species over time, this is an observed fact. This fact is different but related to the theory of evolution.

I just want you to get your facts straight. Debating the theory of evolution is fine, it isnt perfect but to outright deny it based on believes is foolish in the extreme

123625, just saying things dont make sense to you doesn't mean they don't happen, just because you don't believe variations can't lead to speciation doesn't mean it can't happen. There is plenty of evidence to support the theory of evolution.

I think you're confusing a scientific theory with just theory. A scientific theory has to be rigorously and continuously tested and refined and peer reviewed. Things aren't given the title of theory as soon as they are thought up. They have to be able to predict and explain observations and lo and behold thats what the theory of evoulution does. Its not perfect but its a damn sight closer to the truth than "god did it"

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Would you rather jump from a 1 storey window 100 times or a 100 storey window 1 time?

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Just to clear some things up for people, evolution is both theory and fact.

Evoultion has been observed in fruit flies, therefore it is fact.

It is also a theory used to describe the observed facts

Evolution is a change in the gene pool of a population over time. (A gene is a hereditary unit that can be passed on unaltered for many generations. The gene pool is the set of all genes in a species or population)

123625

Are you sure the Fruit flies were a result of Macro? Or was it just Micro?

There is no such thing as micro or macro evolution, there is variation and speciation

What?

Wow so ignorant....

Variation is within the kind. Eg a green dog gives birth to a blue dog. Is it a new kind? No its micro evolution.

Macro is saying one kind can somehow become another over millions of years.

Variation is the changes from one generation to another, its how your not identical to your parents.

Speciation is when two groups of the same species living in different ecological systesm can no longer succesfully mate due to variation and thus are different species

[QUOTE="erc500"]

Just to clear some things up for people, evolution is both theory and fact.

Evoultion has been observed in fruit flies, therefore it is fact.

It is also a theory used to describe the observed facts

Evolution is a change in the gene pool of a population over time. (A gene is a hereditary unit that can be passed on unaltered for many generations. The gene pool is the set of all genes in a species or population)

123625

Are you sure the Fruit flies were a result of Macro? Or was it just Micro?

There is no such thing as micro or macro evolution, there is variation and speciation

Just to clear some things up for people, evolution is both theory and fact.

Evoultion has been observed in fruit flies, therefore it is fact.

It is also a theory used to describe the observed facts

Evolution is a change in the gene pool of a population over time. (A gene is a hereditary unit that can be passed on unaltered for many generations. The gene pool is the set of all genes in a species or population)

D9-THC, you should at least aknowledge Waking Life if your going to lift text straight from the movie.

By the way, thats one of the awesomest scenes in the movie