[QUOTE="erc500"]Beware: Half truths and propagandaDracargen

Beware: Failure to point out these half-truths and propoganda.

Oki doki. Since a few people have adressed some of the issues with the first post, i'll deal with possibly the most ridiculous. The assertion that Detroit is more dangerous than Iraq. **** There are far fewer americans in Iraq than detroit so if almost similar numbers die in the two places then Iraq is obviously much more dangerous.

I think that counts as a half truth

[QUOTE="erc500"][QUOTE="rimnet00"]

In other words, you are asking if this universe is determinant. Everything based on cause and effect. In other words, everything that lead to your creation as a human being, to the very moment where you are about to make a decision, is determined by the summation of all the causes of the universe that manifested this very moment.

I do not believe in this. I believe in choice, given to us by God, and which is made by our soul itself. God gives us the choice, we then choose which path to take... whether it be the moral high ground, or the road of tempation. As this is the entire reason we exist in this reality, as it is a test for our souls, to see whether we wish to eat the apple or obey our Creator. Finite pleasure through disobediance, or infinite pleasure of higher magnitudes.

With that said, I believe that the universe is not determinant under the governance of time. However, the universe is determinant upon the variables of a grander scale, namely God. For Him, our universe is determinant given he is not bound by time.

rimnet00

A belief in God and belief in free will are mutually exclusive. You cannot believe in both since God knows all that will happen therefore there is no scope for free will as all your choices are predetermined

I already addressed that very point in my post in the last paragraph. I prefer to call it Freedom of Choice, rather then Freedom of Will.

It really doesnt matter what you call it. If God knows what your going to do before you do it, then it's not your choice since there is only one possible outcome. Unless i have misread and God doesnt know all.

Nobody knows how the brain works, its not necessarily a bunch of atoms or whatever, so u cannot make that basishormagaunt

So you're privy to some new information that indicates that peoples brains are made from things other than atoms and you know more than the scientists that are starting to explain in detail how the brain fucntions?

In other words, you are asking if this universe is determinant. Everything based on cause and effect. In other words, everything that lead to your creation as a human being, to the very moment where you are about to make a decision, is determined by the summation of all the causes of the universe that manifested this very moment.

I do not believe in this. I believe in choice, given to us by God, and which is made by our soul itself. God gives us the choice, we then choose which path to take... whether it be the moral high ground, or the road of tempation. As this is the entire reason we exist in this reality, as it is a test for our souls, to see whether we wish to eat the apple or obey our Creator. Finite pleasure through disobediance, or infinite pleasure of higher magnitudes.

With that said, I believe that the universe is not determinant under the governance of time. However, the universe is determinant upon the variables of a grander scale, namely God. For Him, our universe is determinant given he is not bound by time.

rimnet00

A belief in God and belief in free will are mutually exclusive. You cannot believe in both since God knows all that will happen therefore there is no scope for free will as all your choices are predetermined

Because some people believe that everything must have proof, otherwise is isn't there. I think that when you look at the beauty of life, and the beauty of this world, it'sdifficult to think that it all came from a huge explosion at the beginning of time. I prefer to believe there's a Creator. stewiegriffin78

Life is often the result of some destructive force, forest fires being a good example