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[QUOTE="tormentos"] Yeah great choice re sell all your games for almost nothing and your system,and get a new one at full price with new games great choice. Maybe that is the reason why only like 15 million people pay for live,and the other 40 million doesn't. Wait how do you know is the developer fault and not live.? How is live a flawless experience,if its games have flaws.? Damn man stop it. Forever for the screen to load burn your crappy internet connection and stop blaming the PS store for your internet connection short comings which is what you are referring to and not PSN+,PSN+ only allow you to download stuff,what you are referring as slow is the PSN market lol..tormentos

Lol, Is it XBL that made the games, NO. So how can you blame XBL for flaws in something they haven't even created. Digging your own grave again here.

Actually, i can't make any sense of this post at all. Must be your flawed logic again i guess.

And way to be stuck in the past, 2007 damm that's 4 years ago. Since that minor incident Microsoft has come a long way with the XBL service and today it's perfect. Unlike PSN wich still has many flaws, not even counting the major hack recently.

[QUOTE="erwingameon"]All those players do have a choice. They could go with gaming on the PS3 or on the PC, or not even at all. Looks like they have plenty of choices to me, and thus comparing it with taxes where you really have no choice is ridiculous. Lol, and the games you mentioned do have flaws, but that's due to the developers and not XBL. As you've said yourself, XBL(gold) only allows you to play the games online. That means that XBL is not responsible for the contend and experience of the game.And how is PSN(+) flawed, well maybe because i have to wait forever for my screen to stop loading things. By the time it's loaded up all the contend i've already moved on to something/someplace else. How's that for a reason.tormentos

Haha my crappy internet connection. I'm running a 120 MB fiberobtic connection but sure mate, it's crappy. Whatever you say since you alway assume that your opinion is fact.

And i'm talking about the entire PSN service, just like i talk about the entire XBL service. But i guess you don't know what ( ) stands for. I put that sign up there so people would understand that i talk about both services. That's what PSN(+) means, PSN and/or PSN+.

Its like those coupon books you get that claim hundred of dollars in saving not technically lying but you have to spend alot to reap these so called "savings"DJ_Headshot

Haha, that's the best analogy of the situation i've seen on this forum

[QUOTE="erwingameon"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] Yeah great choice re sell all your games for almost nothing and your system,and get a new one at full price with new games great choice. Maybe that is the reason why only like 15 million people pay for live,and the other 40 million doesn't. Wait how do you know is the developer fault and not live.? How is live a flawless experience,if its games have flaws.? Damn man stop it. Forever for the screen to load burn your crappy internet connection and stop blaming the PS store for your internet connection short comings which is what you are referring to and not PSN+,PSN+ only allow you to download stuff,what you are referring as slow is the PSN market lol..KevinnButlerNPK

Lol, Is it XBL that made the games, NO. So how can you blame XBL for flaws in something they haven't even created. Digging your own grave again here.

Haha, absolutely true mate

[QUOTE="erwingameon"]Yeah that's my opinion. But i don't act like my opinon is the only correct one, like tormentos does. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion regardless of wheter it's true or not. But saying you opinion and expecting everyone else to take it as fact is real BS.tormentos

Not really since i've stated on many occasions that everyone has their own opinion and that i might not agree with it i can still see their point of view. All you say all the time is ''oh that's not true and that's that'' You can't even admit things that have proved to be real facts. LOL

[QUOTE="erwingameon"]All those players do have a choice. They could go with gaming on the PS3 or on the PC, or not even at all. Looks like they have plenty of choices to me, and thus comparing it with taxes where you really have no choice is ridiculous. Lol, and the games you mentioned do have flaws, but that's due to the developers and not XBL. As you've said yourself, XBL(gold) only allows you to play the games online. That means that XBL is not responsible for the contend and experience of the game.And how is PSN(+) flawed, well maybe because i have to wait forever for my screen to stop loading things. By the time it's loaded up all the contend i've already moved on to something/someplace else. How's that for a reason.tormentos

Lol, Is it XBL that made the games, NO. So how can you blame XBL for flaws in something they haven't even created. Digging your own grave again here.

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[QUOTE="tormentos"] No you don't what will be next custom soundtrack.? Shortly you will be claiming that since for you the xbox 360 controller is better,xbox live is worth the fee. But you are right both have benefits and flaws,the biggest benefits PSN+ has is that is optional and you don't need it to play online,and live biggest flaw is that is mandatory,if you don' pay a fee you can't access a complete part of a game you already pay for,there for you get a gimped experience.1stPlaceWinner

That's your opinion again, luckily millions of players do think XBL(gold) price is justified. You telling me that all those millions of players are wrong.

Yep, and XBL biggest benefit is that (even if you have to pay for it) the online experience is flawless and PSN(+) biggest flaw is that (while it is free) it's a buggy, flawed and uninteresting service.

Yeah that's my opinion. But i don't act like my opinon is the only correct one, like tormentos does. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion regardless of wheter it's true or not. But saying you opinion and expecting everyone else to take it as fact is real BS.

[QUOTE="erwingameon"]That's your opinion again, luckily millions of players do think XBL(gold) price is justified. You telling me that all those millions of players are wrong. Yep, and XBL biggest benefit is that (even if you have to pay for it) the online experience is flawless and PSN(+) biggest flaw is that (while it is free) it's a buggy, flawed and uninteresting service.tormentos

All those players do have a choice. They could go with gaming on the PS3 or on the PC, or not even at all. Looks like they have plenty of choices to me, and thus comparing it with taxes where you really have no choice is ridiculous. Lol, and the games you mentioned do have flaws, but that's due to the developers and not XBL. As you've said yourself, XBL(gold) only allows you to play the games online. That means that XBL is not responsible for the contend and experience of the games.

And how is PSN(+) flawed, well maybe because i have to wait forever for my screen to stop loading things. By the time it's loaded up all the contend i've already moved on to something/someplace else. How's that for a reason.

[QUOTE="erwingameon"]Lol, we got plenty to justify the fee. Just cause you don't want to admit that all the things mentioned in this forum are worth XBL gold, doesn't mean that is the case. And not to put a damper on your spirit, but i've seen you resort to bringing up stuff that had nothing to do do with the discussion and where flawed in almost every way imaginable, just so you didn't have to admit that XBL was better at that point.Continuing this discussion is also pointless since it really doesn't matter if you think XBL gold is worth it, just as long as the XBL players think it is. If you think PSN(+) is better than that's your opinion. To be honest, both PSN(+) and XBL(gold) have their benefits and their flaws and it's up to the players to decide what is a justifiable price. That's the beauty of freedom of choice. And that's the last thing i'll say about the matter.tormentos

That's your opinion again, luckily millions of players do think XBL(gold) price is justified. You telling me that all those millions of players are wrong.

Yep, and XBL biggest benefit is that (even if you have to pay for it) the online experience is flawless and PSN(+) biggest flaw is that (while it is free) it's a buggy, flawed and uninteresting service.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Yet PSN doesn't offer a party system, doesn't offer a better more easily managable UI (especially in game), doesn't offer cross game chat.. PSN will to me as a PC gamer who also plays on the PS3 to be the inferior online services features wise when compared to the XBL and its features I witnessed for the console.tormentos

Lol, we got plenty to justify the fee. Just cause you don't want to admit that all the things mentioned in this forum are worth XBL gold, doesn't mean that is the case. And not to put a damper on your spirit, but i've seen you resort to bringing up stuff that had nothing to do do with the discussion and where flawed in almost every way imaginable, just so you didn't have to admit that XBL was better at that point.

Continuing this discussion is also pointless since it really doesn't matter if you think XBL gold is worth it, just as long as the XBL players think it is. If you think PSN(+) is better than that's your opinion. To be honest, both PSN(+) and XBL(gold) have their benefits and their flaws and it's up to the players to decide what is a justifiable price. That's the beauty of freedom of choice. And that's the last thing i'll say about the matter.