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#1 fillini
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I shook hands with Scott Weiland. He's probably the most famous that I've met. Either him or Maynard Keenan from Tool/APC.

Oh, and I saw president Obama on TV once.

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Thats halarious!!!!

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#2 fillini
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[QUOTE="willy279"]Also, fillini, I think you may want to look at your definition of "the government." Anyone who would argue that "THE GOVERNMENT DID IT" is being vague to the point of nonsense. The government is the post office, city council members, parks and rec departments, etc. We would theoretically be looking at high level people with concentrated power. The power elite, specifically, who are generally part of executive decision in policy, global business, military and so forth. Ugggh I hate to do it, but look at something like The Bilderburg Group. Not because they're huddling together saying "let's blow something up and cause wars!" but so that you can understand that there are non-transparent, elite groups with immense power, who actually do discuss things in meetings which the public has little to no access to. In theory, and of course only in theory, these sorts of secretive groups, with biased opinions about entitlement, economy, history and so forth, would presumably be the ones benefiting. Here, think about the US and military bases for future military strategy: http://www.counterpunch.org/zoltanbases.html

I read the official site for: THE PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY. I don't have a problem with it really. Two, " Washington went to war not as a last resort, but because it saw war as a convenient opportunity to further larger goals" what goals. you still haven't answered the question. America is truely the only superpower lift. I don't mean nuclear power. We can assert our military forces in very short order. This is due to our navy and especially our fleet of aircraft carriers. We need these bases for what exactly? NO motive.
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#3 fillini
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Nope, enlighten me. What did the people in the government and Bush gain?

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#4 fillini
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so if such a conspriacy was true. what did the government gain from it?

And what did Pres. Bush gain from it?

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#5 fillini
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wouldn't this work better if it were a poll. wow.

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#6 fillini
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Saw the movie "Loose change" on youtube? If not, you should probably watch it before answering this topic.

What's your opinion ? Discuss...

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Whatch the others that refute it also. Theres a reason the "loose change" makers are having to do a second film.

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#7 fillini
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[QUOTE="fillini"]

[QUOTE="duxup"] Being an migration lawyer does not provide clairvoyance on the legislature.duxup

Clairvoyance? He practice immigration law. huh i think that might qualify him to comment on the legal aspects of the bill. More so than the other yahoos out there. It not clairvoyance, its called experience.

A bill not yet finished? Or the proposed bills that specifically note illegal immigrants don't get the benefits? Nobody with any political knowledge seriously thinks illegal immigrants would be provided those benefits. Even Wilson.

"nobody with any political knowledge" your kidding. There is NOT a way to CHECK the citizen status of anyone that applies in the bill currently. Your making a hollow agruement if you think just because the bill says it shouldn't happen it won't.

Heck, with that lets pass a bill out-lawing murder and rape. I'm sure no body is going to break those laws because they are not aloud. Of course we won't added in any way to enforce such a bill but of course the legal abidding rapists and murders wouldn't think of taking advantage of such a situation.

And no, I'm not saying Illegals are rapists and murders, but they have broken the law to get here and if they can get more for free, with no risk of enforcement then why not.

And, we are talking about the proposed bill. Unless, you want to talk about all the proposed bills the last 20 years that were presented.

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#8 fillini
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[QUOTE="fillini"]

[QUOTE="Jd1680a"]Maybe Joe Wilson got paid by the health insurance companies to say "Liar" to the president.duxup

Maybe he used to be an immigration lawyer and he knows EXACTLY how the bill is going to play out in real life and was fed up with Obama's b.s.

Being an migration lawyer does not provide clairvoyance on the legislature.

Clairvoyance? He practice immigration law. huh i think that might qualify him to comment on the legal aspects of the bill. More so than the other yahoos out there. It not clairvoyance, its called experience.

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#9 fillini
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Maybe Joe Wilson got paid by the health insurance companies to say "Liar" to the president.Jd1680a
Maybe he used to be an immigration lawyer and he knows EXACTLY how the bill is going to play out in real life and was fed up with Obama's b.s.

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#10 fillini
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[QUOTE="useLOGIC"]

not gonna read through all the pages of this thread, so hopefully someone has mentioned this:

what if obama IS lying??

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About not allowing illegal immigrants any healthcare? I doubt it, he would bemental if he was.

The bill says they can't, and it is subject to the Hyde Admendment (?) but the democrats and Obama have intentionally handicaped the bill to allow for no enforcement or verification of legal status. The two times the verification programs were voted on the Dems voted it down. So if you leave out the policing powers in the bill and block the attempts to put it in their logic dictates Obama and the Democratic leadership have an agenda.