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#1 fillini
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[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]Good for them I say. We need more balls and less ass kissing.TBoogy

Well he did some ass kissing not long later ;)

And even better, the news reported tonight that his opponent in the next election raised 200k overnight for his campaign. Seemingly just because of this outburst. Seems Republicans are their own worst enemy right now...

You need to refresh your screen Wilson is getting $$ too, for calling it what it is.

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#2 fillini
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[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]

[QUOTE="fillini"] Read it. I actually agree with a some of the assertions she tries to make. Couldn't access the footnotes, so its sounds like a blog from a lawyer in San Francisco to me. So I have to disagree, all my personal experience and financial reading state other wise, concerning the economic impact of illegals. out of the 12 illegals I know personally NONE have ever paid their taxes. i have asked them if any of their people pay taxes and the say very few. they said ones that do are the families that hae lived her for years. These guys don't do anything period. they may go out every once in a while but there are like 8 or ten guys sharing a 19inch tv in a two or 3 bedroom apartment.

-Sun_Tzu-

Like the tax code could actually be enforced on illegals.:lol: What nonsense.

Did you actually read the paper or are you just ridiculing reality because it is not in harmony with your own personal perception of the world?

Oh man, that article is killing me. If most/typical/etc.... are poor how are they actually making a positive contribution to the economy. And I loved this: "Arguably, the benefits and protections enjoyed by high income households are more valuable than the benefits and protections enjoyed by poverty-level households." Seriously? She even goes on to refute herself by stating that state and other government benefits are paid by higher income tax payers because the undocumented workers can't. so "arguably" is a bunch of crap.

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#3 fillini
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

He made a fool of himself, but I am glad to see a congressman shout how he feels to the president. Also atleast he didn't throw a shoe.

Lindsosaurus

One last comment before I slide out, because I've seen the "at least he didn't throw a shoe" comment quite a lot in this thread. There's a bit of a difference between some angry Iraqi journalist over in the middle east throwing a shoe during a speech Bush is giving overseas and a sitting U.S. Congressman interrupting the president and calling him a liar during a national television address to the nation in the halls of Congress.

Agreed. That makes a big difference. Not to mention that the the rules of congress explicitly state that they cannot call the President a liar.

Both true. Now that he's apologized and Pres. Obama accepted is there a need for censure?

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#4 fillini
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[QUOTE="fillini"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] ...they...pay...taxes

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=881584

-Sun_Tzu-

Read it. I actually agree with a some of the assertions she tries to make. Couldn't access the footnotes, so its sounds like a blog from a lawyer in San Francisco to me. So I have to disagree, all my personal experience and financial reading state other wise, concerning the economic impact of illegals. out of the 12 illegals I know personally NONE have ever paid their taxes. i have asked them if any of their people pay taxes and the say very few. they said ones that do are the families that hae lived her for years. These guys don't do anything period. they may go out every once in a while but there are like 8 or ten guys sharing a 19inch tv in a two or 3 bedroom apartment.

Well, I linked just the abstract, but if you want to read the entire 58 page analysis, footnotes and all, be my guest.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/llr/vol9/lipman.pdf

Also, a side note, I wouldn't base sweeping generalization off of anecdotal evidence.

Anecdotal evidence? Please explain.

Is that like your assertion two weeks about how Social Security is just fine; and then Washington announced the next week no COLA for the next two years. Yeah one of their excuses was the seniors got the stimulus money. $250.

And yes I'll read ALL 58 pages.

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[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"] Let me see what you're trying to say... They don't pay income tax so we shouldn't allow them to buy health insurance? But then we should allow them to buy anything here, which would definitely not help the economy.-Sun_Tzu-

Nope not what I said. He said "with THEIR money". so i was just stating that it their tax FREE money that the illegally worked here for thats all.

And if your going to let immigrants purchase their Health Care with tax free money why not let the actually citizens of that country do so also??????

...they...pay...taxes

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=881584

Read it. I actually agree with a some of the assertions she tries to make. Couldn't access the footnotes, so its sounds like a blog from a lawyer in San Francisco to me. So I have to disagree, all my personal experience and financial reading state other wise, concerning the economic impact of illegals. out of the 12 illegals I know personally NONE have ever paid their taxes. i have asked them if any of their people pay taxes and the say very few. they said ones that do are the families that hae lived her for years. These guys don't do anything period. they may go out every once in a while but there are like 8 or ten guys sharing a 19inch tv in a two or 3 bedroom apartment.

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[QUOTE="fillini"]

[QUOTE="duxup"] How dare they pay into the health care system with their money!

Ace_WondersX

But wouldn't some of that money be money they shoulda pay taxes on. So its our tax money their are using to buy themselves insurance in our government run system. still doesn't seem right to me.

Let me see what you're trying to say... They don't pay income tax so we shouldn't allow them to buy health insurance? But then we should allow them to buy anything here, which would definitely not help the economy.

Nope not what I said. He said "with THEIR money". so i was just stating that it their tax FREE money that the illegally worked here for thats all.

And if your going to let immigrants purchase their Health Care with tax free money why not let the actually citizens of that country do so also??????

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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]>For the record, PolitiFact's Truth-o-Meter has examined this question and has rated Wilson's claim false, saying exactly what Jim is saying: they could get insurance, but only by paying full price for it, which seems to me something that is hardly objectionable.

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How dare they pay into the health care system with their money!

But wouldn't some of that money be money they shoulda pay taxes on. So its our tax money their are using to buy themselves insurance in our government run system. still doesn't seem right to me.

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]

You're reading something that isn't there, Jim. I'm looking at the report from CRS, not a glorifed blog like Think Progress (poor form there by the way). Clearly there is a window there that needs to be closed for Obama's claim to be accurate. I'll just leave it at that. The report speaks for itself.

GabuEx

I used ThinkProgress for the analogy alone. And Obama's claim IS accurate:
Page 143 of the bill in question. SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS. Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States. HR 3200
That is the bill itself. What part of my ARGUMENT is incorrect or inaccurate? What of what I stated is untrue? 1. The bill allows wives or children of illegal immigrants who ARE HERE LEGALLY via citizenship to be covered 2. The bill doesn't explicitly prevent illegal immigrants from going out to try and get coverage on their own, but provides no assistance financial or otherwise. Which of those two things are false? Your own source verifies those two things. Address the actual argument please. Heck, we should WANT illegal immigrants to pay for their own insurance so they don't become a burden on the rest of the country when they get sick and have no coverage. But the bill explicitly does not help them.

For the record, PolitiFact's Truth-o-Meter has examined this question and has rated Wilson's claim false, saying exactly what Jim is saying: they could get insurance, but only by paying full price for it, which seems to me something that is hardly objectionable.

That's fine in all but who is going to run the checks and enforce the policy?

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[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]

You're reading something that isn't there, Jim. I'm looking at the report from CRS, not a glorifed blog like Think Progress (poor form there by the way). Clearly there is a window there that needs to be closed for Obama's claim to be accurate. I'll just leave it at that. The report speaks for itself.

nocoolnamejim

I used ThinkProgress for the analogy alone. And Obama's claim IS accurate:
Page 143 of the bill in question. SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS. Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States. HR 3200
That is the bill itself. What part of my ARGUMENT is incorrect or inaccurate? What of what I stated is untrue? 1. The bill allows wives or children of illegal immigrants who ARE HERE LEGALLY via citizenship to be covered 2. The bill doesn't explicitly prevent illegal immigrants from going out to try and get coverage on their own, but provides no assistance financial or otherwise. Which of those two things are false? Your own source verifies those two things. Address the actual argument please. Heck, we should WANT illegal immigrants to pay for their own insurance so they don't become a burden on the rest of the country when they get sick and have no coverage. But the bill explicitly does not help them.

Like in the other post: Obama and the democratic leadership is giving them the ability to sign up for the program with no enforcement, period. The verification software used by over 200 government programs was expressively, intentionally left off the bill. And when the Republicans and Democrats tried to add it, the two measures were voted down. So their actions speak volumes. Obama's statements either mean he can't follow this logic or he is lying for political reasons.

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#10 fillini
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I've seen a bit of booing and so forth but yeah that seems a step over the line. duxup
step over the line because he was the only one to do it. the mumurs and comments Bush got in his State of the Union addresses were way worse. Wilson managed just to speak up solo. I almost that we were in England there for a moment.