Is there really a point to this thread? Of course we all want demos before the game... But the realistic fact there isn't always going to be.. Deal with it, don't buy the game.. Why this thread keeps going on is beyond me.sSubZerOo

The point? Simple:

To build support for the No Demo? No Sale Legion of Eternal Champions. You are not invited.

No demo = no sale.

At least, most of the time. There are very very rare occasions when I will get a game that looks intriguing or different enough that I will buy it if it doesn't have a demo, although I will read a lot of reviews from people who have played it first.

I never preorder games or get them on the day of release any more. Been burned too many times.

RobertBowen

Pre-orders are the worst. $5 off to find out your game sucked? No thanks. Demo please!

Piracy is now having a significant effect on PC Gaming, and is becoming the bane of PC Gaming. Developers are sick of having their games downloaded and played for free - and have attempted to use invasive copy protection or online authentication and they end up being criticized by users for the inconvenience. It seems like no matter what, they lose as the developers. On the other hand, MMORPGs are blossoming due to the very concept of how they work.

Now obviously, the first to blame are the pirates who have no respect for developers. They'll download games they love and play them as much as they want. They end up not buying the game even after having enough spare money to do so.

We've got to stop worrying about pirates themselves. You can't stop them. They won't change their ways and as long as there is a way to download a game for free, they'll do it. Instead, the focus should be on P2P Systems and Torrenting Sites. It's ridiculous how easy it is to pirate a game this day. It's as simple as a google search. There are blatant torrent search sites that go unnamed that not only they let you pirate games (and movies, music, etc.), THEY PROMOTE IT! They dodge laws saying "We don't provide the content, we just let you search for it". The loophole is disgusting and over used.

If PC Gaming is going to flourish and have support for key developers that might not remain due to piracy, there needs to be a first party anti-piracy company. Microsoft should have a branch that pursues pirate sites legally and also provide a better copy protection system to developers willing to pay for it. Instead of using copy-protection from several different companies who half-ass it every time (and those who go too far; Starforce), there has to be a central anti-piracy system. It needs to be unique too, something that hassles pirates. Steam is a good start. It's possible to pirate Steam games, but they require several different downloads and the content ends up being provided through slow download sites such as Rapidshare, forcing you to pay for a Rapidshare account if you want it downloaded in under two weeks.

Anyone have any ideas or comments? It's rather discouraging that we're actually losing developer support due to pirates. It's a step towards the decay of PC Games. Let's just hope that doesn't happen.

GodLovesDead

The punishment for piracy should be severe enough to scare off all of the evil little socialists from pirating software, movies, and music - Draco knew what he was doing.

[QUOTE="delta4062"]i meant to say i got GTA1 and 2 on PS1cru3

Considering you threw the first insult, I don't think you're going to find any friends in this thread.

Eyes on the prize, Cru3.

GUN was pretty cool.

The Call of Jaurez demo ran so poorly I never bought the game.

I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to have a Far Cry or GTA stile Western.

I AM DOC HOLIDAY.

What is your 3 fav gaming universes? Here's mine,

1) Warhammer 40K Universe - This universe is scary and you don't want to live in this place, the chances are high that you will die in less than one day. If some way how you ended up in that universe, find Tau Empire and allie with them, that's your best chance for surving. Avoid Tyranids, Necrons, Orks, Chaos and Dark Eldar at all costs.

2) Starcraft Universe - This universe is pretty cool, but aviod Zergs and Protoss.

3) Bio-Shock Universe- A damn fine universe, not safe though.

gogators4life

Max Payne 2 & Deus Ex: obviously

Half-Life: Only the first game was any good, but the universe and ideas are wonderful.

I vote with my dollars. I rarely buy games that don't have a demo. I'll often wait months to buy a game if it doesn't have a demo.

Good thread.

gzader

Thanks, and I agree with you 100%.

I play lots of online FPS. The thing that gets on my nerves the most is camping - where some guy picks up a rifle or sniper and hides in a building for the whole game.

Who hates campers!!

bangell99

I murder campers like it's no going out of style.

Ok the reason UT3 got bad sales is because 1) Not really any story, 2) didnt take advantage of its hardware, 3) Nothing innovative in the slightest.

So what do developers need to do to get better sales well duh:roll: Do not make low gfx quality games because we want a well optimized game that takes advantage of our machines.(although mine isnt the best)

Do not make [Censor Bypass Removed - G013M] storys and make a good setting that is a good 8-10hrs long.

Make something new and fresh. PC gamers are born critics so add stuff to shake things up a bit.

So basically everything Cliffy B. did was stupid and if developers did everything that Epic didnt do well, you got one hell of a game.

Infact if you had two of the three it would be good.

This is just what I would like to see in PC game developers and while you may not agree please dont flame.

ndrewn

UT3 didn't sell well because the demo was lackluster and the game faced heavy competition.