[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Audacitron"]

It's wrong, it's just wrong. I don't care who the president is. It's wrong.

If you think lives are being saved you are so misinformed. It's so wrong it legitimizes terrorism.

Audacitron

How is it wrong? the point of war is to kill the other guy.

with this kind of ignorance, we might as well just accept permanent war and nuke the f*ck out of the place.

War is fundamental to human nature.

Also the overuse of nukes is not condoned as it will inevitably negatively affect the home nation.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

No, I'm a human. Humans do have rights, and they do deserve them. Technocrats are the most evil people on the planet.

hartsickdiscipl

You can say you have "rights" but that doesn't make them real. Any stronger individual or group could simply violate your "rights", so whats the point of saying you have them?

The government is there to protect individual rights when the individual isn't able to due to a situation like you're describing. They're not there to stop the individual from protecting their own rights.

How can you protect that which doesn't exist?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Audacitron"]

It's wrong, it's just wrong. I don't care who the president is. It's wrong.

If you think lives are being saved you are so misinformed. It's so wrong it legitimizes terrorism.

Audacitron

the operator is killing at no risk to himself. That's morally repugnant. This is how it legitimizes terrorism and puts everyone's lives at risk.

The fact that you can send robots out to do your war for you means you don't have to worry about flag draped coffins coming back. So the political cost of waging war is minimized. As less and less people are involved, society looks the other way and turns a blind eye to it.

a winners way to fight a war

osirisx3

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I can't have happiness without being allowed to defend myself. That's part of my personal freedom. A lot of other humans feel this way too. It's a basic human right that goes beyond government.

hartsickdiscipl

"rights" don't exist for an individual. Only governments can have rights as they are the only ones who can enforce and protect them. The best the individual can hope for are government given privileges.

If you require "rights" to be happy you are irrational.

No, I'm a human. Humans do have rights, and they do deserve them. Technocrats are the most evil people on the planet.

You can say you have "rights" but that doesn't make them real. Any stronger individual or group could simply violate your "rights", so whats the point of saying you have them?

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

I don't see whats the big deal with drone strikes, they save american lives , but i would like to hear OTs opinion.

With luck we can get some discussions going.

Audacitron

It's wrong, it's just wrong. I don't care who the president is. It's wrong.

If you think lives are being saved you are so misinformed. It's so wrong it legitimizes terrorism.

How is it wrong? the point of war is to kill the other guy.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

That has got to be one of the least enlightened, scariest thoughts I've ever heard. Are you from the Soviet Union? North Korea?

hartsickdiscipl

No i am an American technocrat and i believe that the individual is entitled to protection, education and happiness, not the right to self police.

I can't have happiness without being allowed to defend myself. That's part of my personal freedom. A lot of other humans feel this way too. It's a basic human right that goes beyond government.

"rights" don't exist for an individual. Only governments can have rights as they are the only ones who can enforce and protect them. The best the individual can hope for are government given privileges.

If you require "rights" to be happy you are irrational.

The fact they are autonomous is a problem. A human mind should be involved in the murdering/killing of another human being during war.Zeviander

Except they aren't, there is always a human at the controls.

OP is a sucker of statist c0ck BossPerson

Yes, i am a proud statist much in the same vein as Plato.

to me it's basically a government hiring a hitman to get some people out of the way which on the one hand leads me to think of them as obviously immoral. on the other hand, sometimes you need to get your hands dirty to get a job done. but mostly i think of them as immoral and at some point you're going to reap what you sow when you disregard the fundamental values of how we as people strive to treat each other, especially when you also use these values to justify these actions.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

In and of themselves, they are fundamentally no different than airstrikes other than removing the pilot from the cockpit.

BLKR4330

i've fought in so many wars, conquered many lands and caused huge pixelated destruction and think of airstrikes as very different. aren't they normally aimed at strategical targets? i would think they are done from greater altitudes and have nowhere near the precision to target a single individual.

Why should "morality" have anything to do with war.

War is just a means to an end.