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Obviously this is system wars and everyone cares about sales and graphics....but I've noted one big thing everyone forgets - Sony is a business and the PS3 has been a horrible failure for them as a company.

Why?

Look at the fact that last generation they sold around (greater than) 140 million units (PS2) vs. a mere 25 million Xbox originals. If you look at the percentage (between only these companies), that is 560% more than the Xbox.

So even if the PS3 eventually outsells the Xbox 360 by 10 million or 20 million, what an embarrassment. They are still hemorrhaging money and will NEVER have the same results as the previous generation.

For a company, the ONLY thing that matters is money. The difference between last gen and this gen is horrifying if you are Sony. The bickering on here is laughable because it is clear...SONY HAS LOST

Not the "console wars" but the utter domination they had, and the utter cash cow they had.

Adamantium4k2

Seriously, is this what lemmings have to fall back on now? More sales threads?

If you want to talk sales, the Wii is kicking both the PS3 and Xbox in the nuts so don't talk to me about the battle for second place.

Now let me get back to my second playthrough of God of War 3 while you play the sales game.

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secret weapon

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secret

farnham

Secret? To whom was it secret?

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[QUOTE="gaming25"] That is ridiculous, especially how you came to that conclusion. When you go about seeing what the PS3 has done in terms of sales, and why it occurred, you have to see how many PS2s were sold after the PS3 came out. Why??? Because that would show that people STILL had the option to get a PS2 instead of a PS3. And then afterward, you see how many gamecubes and original xboxs were sold. Many people who buy for specific brands (which is what people would do especially since there is only 3 main consoles) didnt have to make the switch because the PS2 was still a good option vs having a xbox or a gamecube. And we all know that sales for the xbox and gamecube became almost non existent after the 360/Wii had been out for a year. But more importantly, you then MUST consider that the 360 had a year start. And since you bring the 360 vs PS3 up, you must consider the 360 in whatever equation that you have. And finally to claim a "significant smaller user base" as you put it, you would HAVE to see how many PS2s were sold three and a half years into its generation (where the PS3 is at now), which I know you havent done. So you are overreacting.Nyxathid_Horror

PS2 is a last generation console that is reaping the benefits form what sony did LAST generation, has nothing to do with this generation or the PS3. irrelevant point. nothing to do with this discussion whatsoever (which, just to remind you, is about the PS3).

even after considering the year head start, the PS3 and 360 are pretty much neck and neck (hence arguably, sony is the loser of this gen), and sony is still trailing nintendo by a rediculous margin. yet another irrelevant point. sony still lost its market share, regardless of that year head start.

Once again, you cannot claim Sony as the loser of this gen, due to the fact that there's not a PS4 or Xbox 720. Another example of somebody incorrectly evaluating "the big picture". If you want to get technical about it, how could PS2 be considered "last gen" if it's still selling consoles and developing games, unlike the Xbox. That sounds very this generation to me...

[QUOTE="genaroll"][QUOTE="delta3074"]no they don't, if you had played both gears 2 and uncharted 2 you would know that UC2 looks better, but serious gap in quality? i don't think so mate, we are talking about EPIC and Remedy, not to mention bungie, reputable company's that consistantly put out great looking games with gameplay to match, are you trying to say they make amateurish games? i don't think so.HavocV3

that doesn't say 'quantity'

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Its not 2006 anymore. FIipMode