This is kind of related I guess....but this was the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen....

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25813931&page=0

Some people in there are thinking $20 an hour is great pay...and that $60 an hour is ridiculous and only doctors would make that??? $20 an hour is absoluley nothing...its like a job one step higher than a minimum wage job....

What world am I living in??? $60 an hour is average if you get a decent job out of college......and doctors pay is A LOT more (I cant emphasize A LOT any more) Its been broken down (they dont get payed by the hour) that doctors make around 400-500 an hour....

Some people actaully believe that $60 an hour is not even realistic??? Thats the average pay for most people... I couldnt believe what I was reading....

Some people here dont really have a clue about the world and working...I knew this place was filled with teenagers but I figured you guys would know something about real life and pay....

_MURS_

well here in canada an independat contractor such as a plumber who works for the city as well as side jobs can easily earn over 100 thousand dollars a year including all the under the counter cash payments they receive on side jobs that dont count towars there taxes they can easily make over 120 thousand a year. on the other hand if you own your own plumbing company with contractors working for you they earn serous cash especially ones with city contracts , make much more than any doctor, dentist or lawyer.papageorgio22

You are foolish, my dad works on the oil rigs in Alberta, and it isn't a desirable job, and it doesn't pay as much as a doctor. It is dangerous work, where you work with a bunch of low life, blue collar scum, who use the F word far too often.

[QUOTE="gomer69"][QUOTE="skullkrusher13"][QUOTE="gomer69"][QUOTE="skullkrusher13"]

This is incredibly cliche, but money =//= happiness.

I don't need a freaking Mercedes and a big house to be happy. I'm low maintenence and just want to get a good job. I don't plan on getting married unless a miracle happens (I find someone)

But yeah, I don't give a crap about my grades. I got a 3.6 GPA in high school, and its totally worthless. I'm in college, and guess what?

Grades mean nothing.

skullkrusher13

You're wrong, it has been shown that people below the poverty line are generally less happy because they cannot afford the basic necessities. Is a Mercedes a necessity? No. But, proper nutrition, shelter, and clothing are. Also some people are just happier when they have a lot more money then what the basic necessities require (if money, influence, and power are your thing, then this means you. Not everyone shares the same interests, though). It's all just what floats your boat.

your argument fails. I meant grades mean nothing as long as you pass. If you can get through college, there is no doubt you can get a good job and have the "basic necessities"
Also, people who are religious generally have a higher level of happiness compared to non-religious, you failed to mention that...

"Grades mean nothing as long as you pass" seems contradictory to me. You need grades to pass, so they do matter. So what is passing? To get into my university from high school it took me 85%. So is an 85% considered a pass? To get into medical school it will take a 3.85 average, is 3.85 a pass?

If people are going to a community college, and their GPA in high school was 1.6, is 1.6 a pass?

Grades matter as much as you need them. If you want to work at McDonalds then a GPA of 0.8 is overdoing it, but if you want to get into med school where I live, a 4.0 is a safe bet.

its not contradictory, you just think it is. Andwhy are your posts so all or nothing? Give me a break. You always go to extremes when talking, and its just failure. (Ex. the guy committing suicide/being rich, basic needs/being rich,Community College/Medical School, McDonalds/Medical School)

Seriously, I can't even argue w/ you because of this. Passing = getting credits for a clas$ toward graduation. If you can do this in high school and college, you can live a good, albeit not rich life. Even non-college grads can get make a decent living, but college grads make a lot more money (duh) by getting a better, higher paying job. Even so, money doesn't buy happiness. Religion/non-religious and being married/single are more determining factors of happiness.

Nothing wrong with extremes, contrast makes life interesting. Have fun driving your 1984 Buick Skylark, while making love to a women of moderate attraction, with kids who accomplish nothing, and kids who do not experience all that life can offer because you were lazy in college, don't worry I'll hire them to drive my kids around.

[QUOTE="gomer69"][QUOTE="jrhawk42"][QUOTE="gomer69"][QUOTE="jrhawk42"]

I've never understood the importance of grades, and nobody has ever been able to explain to me why they are important.

Exhibit A: You need good grades to get into college.

I graduated a semester late from college because my university had not recieved my HS transcripts yet. Hmm whole lot of good my gpa did there.

Exhibit B: You need good grades to get a good job.

I don't have my GPA on my resume basically for the same reason I don't list Detassling under workforce skills (I spent a summer detassling corn when I was 13) it doesn't fit, and employeers don't care.

This maybe different for somebody w/out any job/life experience but if you've got things going on for you outside of school well nobody is going to care about your GPA.

jrhawk42

Your right though anyone can graduate from college with decent grades without too much trouble; and that alone is enough to get a "good job". But that doesn't mean that getting a 4.0 average won't open doors that would have been otherwise closed.

I got my lab based job that pays me over 3000 a month (for 16 hours a week), from my university while I am going to school. I also have gotten tens of thousands in scholarships, and won't have a problem getting into grad school, or med school, as I have the grades and the references from my lab job/volunteer work.

O btw, most people do just breeze through college, occasionally repeating some cla$$es here and there, and most of those people will be middle cla$$. I want to be rich, if for no other reason than just being rich. I want a respectful job, and I want a job that is thought provoking, otherwise I will grow bored of said job. Generally speaking our society gives the most thought provoking jobs to those of us who did the best in college. It's true.

then why did my peers who got better GPA's than me get stuck w/ worse jobs?

Also Grad school almost solely relies on GRE scores, and letters of reference. GPA is mostly an "on the fence", or excuse for them to not accept you. I was talking to some of the people in the acceptance office due to my transcript fiasco, and learned some pretty interesting stuff about getting accepted for higher education. They pretty much use GPA as a default excuse whenever possible even though it's hardly ever used in their actually desiscion if a student is accepted.

You're most likely doing well through outside work and refrences, and your GPA is just icing on the cake. Take it away and you'd still probably be in the same boat, but if that's all you had going for you you'd probably be looking for a job right now.

Anybody also notice that getting a 4.0 is HS is a joke now. I though it was bad that my ****had 4, but now it seems like a 4.0 is pretty much a B average.

most the people I know with poor college GPA went straight into grad school, and as long as there GRE scrores were fine they pretty much got accepted where ever they wanted. Of the people that I know that focused on their GPA they spent 6 months job hunting and then reapplied for grad school. Same deal those that did well on the GRE got into the schools they wanted those that didn't (even though they had a high gpa) didn't get in. Two of my friends were applying to the same school the one with the lower GPA was accepted since his GRE was high. The other one had a lower GRE, but still recieved a letter stating his GPA didn't meet their standards.

90% of what you just wrote was probably total BS. If you don't think that your GPA is the major deciding factor when getting accepted into graduate school, phone the office of graduate studies at your school and ask them. Sure things like reference letters, GRE scores, and other non-GPA related things matter but at the end of the day your GPA is the thing that matters the most; Period.

Unless you go to some backwards school, this is the way things will be done. (In rare cases, some programs your GPA is worth only 40-50% of what it takes to get into a program, but I can only think of one program like that, and it is not the norm).

Apply to med school with a 2.5 and see if you get a call for an interview, you won't, even if you were Jesus Christ himself, you won't.

[QUOTE="gomer69"][QUOTE="skullkrusher13"]

This is incredibly cliche, but money =//= happiness.

I don't need a freaking Mercedes and a big house to be happy. I'm low maintenence and just want to get a good job. I don't plan on getting married unless a miracle happens (I find someone)

But yeah, I don't give a crap about my grades. I got a 3.6 GPA in high school, and its totally worthless. I'm in college, and guess what?

Grades mean nothing.

skullkrusher13

You're wrong, it has been shown that people below the poverty line are generally less happy because they cannot afford the basic necessities. Is a Mercedes a necessity? No. But, proper nutrition, shelter, and clothing are. Also some people are just happier when they have a lot more money then what the basic necessities require (if money, influence, and power are your thing, then this means you. Not everyone shares the same interests, though). It's all just what floats your boat.

your argument fails. I meant grades mean nothing as long as you pass. If you can get through college, there is no doubt you can get a good job and have the "basic necessities"
Also, people who are religious generally have a higher level of happiness compared to non-religious, you failed to mention that...

"Grades mean nothing as long as you pass" seems contradictory to me. You need grades to pass, so they do matter. So what is passing? To get into my university from high school it took me 85%. So is an 85% considered a pass? To get into medical school it will take a 3.85 average, is 3.85 a pass?

If people are going to a community college, and their GPA in high school was 1.6, is 1.6 a pass?

Grades matter as much as you need them. If you want to work at McDonalds then a GPA of 0.8 is overdoing it, but if you want to get into med school where I live, a 4.0 is a safe bet.

~-~So, because we will have thousands and thousands of years to think of stuff that's evidence of time travel? The only "time travel" we probably could ever come up with (not saying we will) is some kind of freezing tube that lets you wait till it's the future. But does that even count as time travel? And btw, if it was possible to travel to the future in a non waiting form, then that means the future and the path we'll go through to get there already exists. Doesn't that mean we don't have free will because we're forced down a single pre set path? (points to anyone who gets this.:P)~-~ [QUOTE="gomer69"]going faster than the speed of light wont be necessary if you know how to bend space (worm holes)The_PirateKing

No that does not suggest that the future can be known, but it does suggest that you can travel there. It is like saying, if I sit on my bed for the next 5 minutes then I will be in the future, since I can travel to the future then the future must already exist, and therefore we do not have free will.

Also people have already in the current day moved faster through time then how time exists here on earth. So this is not fiction. The faster you move the faster through time everything else moves. People have tested this by putting very accurate clocks on space shuttles orbiting the earth, and they all agree with the theory.

[QUOTE="gomer69"][QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="gomer69"]

[QUOTE="xaos"]Then why have they not shown up in the several thousand years of recorded human history? And what ever happened to causality and the laws of thermodynamics?xaos

Actually they are building new atom smashers now that accelerate microscopic particles fast enough to perhaps generate enough energy to test the superstring theory.

What happens is, if the total final energy during the collision is less than the total initial energy then this would suggest that some energy has leaked out of the universe, which superstring theory predicts will happen.

This is incredibly cliche, but money =//= happiness.

I don't need a freaking Mercedes and a big house to be happy. I'm low maintenence and just want to get a good job. I don't plan on getting married unless a miracle happens (I find someone)

But yeah, I don't give a crap about my grades. I got a 3.6 GPA in high school, and its totally worthless. I'm in college, and guess what?

Grades mean nothing.

skullkrusher13

You're wrong, it has been shown that people below the poverty line are generally less happy because they cannot afford the basic necessities. Is a Mercedes a necessity? No. But, proper nutrition, shelter, and clothing are. Also some people are just happier when they have a lot more money then what the basic necessities require (if money, influence, and power are your thing, then this means you. Not everyone shares the same interests, though). It's all just what floats your boat.

[QUOTE="gomer69"][QUOTE="jrhawk42"]

I've never understood the importance of grades, and nobody has ever been able to explain to me why they are important.

Exhibit A: You need good grades to get into college.

I graduated a semester late from college because my university had not recieved my HS transcripts yet. Hmm whole lot of good my gpa did there.

Exhibit B: You need good grades to get a good job.

I don't have my GPA on my resume basically for the same reason I don't list Detassling under workforce skills (I spent a summer detassling corn when I was 13) it doesn't fit, and employeers don't care.

This maybe different for somebody w/out any job/life experience but if you've got things going on for you outside of school well nobody is going to care about your GPA.

jrhawk42

Your right though anyone can graduate from college with decent grades without too much trouble; and that alone is enough to get a "good job". But that doesn't mean that getting a 4.0 average won't open doors that would have been otherwise closed.

I got my lab based job that pays me over 3000 a month (for 16 hours a week), from my university while I am going to school. I also have gotten tens of thousands in scholarships, and won't have a problem getting into grad school, or med school, as I have the grades and the references from my lab job/volunteer work.

O btw, most people do just breeze through college, occasionally repeating some cla$$es here and there, and most of those people will be middle cla$$. I want to be rich, if for no other reason than just being rich. I want a respectful job, and I want a job that is thought provoking, otherwise I will grow bored of said job. Generally speaking our society gives the most thought provoking jobs to those of us who did the best in college. It's true.

then why did my peers who got better GPA's than me get stuck w/ worse jobs?

Also Grad school almost solely relies on GRE scores, and letters of reference. GPA is mostly an "on the fence", or excuse for them to not accept you. I was talking to some of the people in the acceptance office due to my transcript fiasco, and learned some pretty interesting stuff about getting accepted for higher education. They pretty much use GPA as a default excuse whenever possible even though it's hardly ever used in their actually desiscion if a student is accepted.

You're most likely doing well through outside work and refrences, and your GPA is just icing on the cake. Take it away and you'd still probably be in the same boat, but if that's all you had going for you you'd probably be looking for a job right now.

Anybody also notice that getting a 4.0 is HS is a joke now. I though it was bad that my ****had 4, but now it seems like a 4.0 is pretty much a B average.

[QUOTE="gomer69"]

[QUOTE="xaos"]Then why have they not shown up in the several thousand years of recorded human history? And what ever happened to causality and the laws of thermodynamics?xaos