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#1 h8jlhbtw
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[QUOTE="rimnet00"]qwerty, would you mind pointing me towards where I could find these manuscripts. I would be interested in studying them.qwerty2305

I cant be bothered finding a link right now. But I have seen shows on the Discovery channel about this subject. There are museums in Europe which have ancient manuscripts and records about Jesus, and him rising from the dead.

If you really want some Manuscripts to study, read the bible. Do you know how the bible was made? Tons of ancient manuscripts that were written thousands of years ago all got put together which makes The Bible!

The bible

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"] So you're saying not all of it is a fairy tale? So certain figures in the bible existed? Are you saying the miracles are fabricated? Are you saying that the spiritual and supernatural aspects are fabricated? Didn't you once say that there is no recorded proof that Christ existed? And now you're saying "Just because he existed..does not automatically mean he was God." So you only believe some of the bible?qwerty2305

Actually I just said that for sake of argument. Jesus is just a character invented by some clever writer(s).

Jesus is a character written about by thousands of inoccent people who had a family. People who just wanted to live there life, get as much money and food as they can. They did not have time to make up story's about Jesus. There was such limited supplies back then, they were all fighting for a good house to live in, clean food and water. There was no time to make up huge story's that would take Years to make up for them. Thats why I truly think its real.

If people were living in such poverty, just trying to survive, wouldn't they want some stories to believe in? Wouldn't it be in their interest to come up with a religion like Christianity--having a personal relationship with a God can be soothing.

Im not talking about believing in something because they are poor. Im talking about how they all took the time to write these Manuscripts when they had better things to do like find food. These people did not have time to sit down and write for days unless they thought it was something really important, like Jesus.

Even the cavemen had time to make art--drawing paintings on the walls. And ritualistically bury their dead. Why wouldn't people living in the time of Jesus be able to come up with stories/oral traditions?
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#2 h8jlhbtw
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[QUOTE="h8jlhbtw"][QUOTE="qwerty2305"][QUOTE="h8jlhbtw"][QUOTE="qwerty2305"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="qwerty2305"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="qwerty2305"] This is why I believe in God, because there is historical proof everywhere that Jesus was the son of God. qwerty2305

Such as?

Thousands of manuscripts and ancient records have been recovered that all say Jesus was the Son of God. Manuscripts from the time Jesus was around, say that he came back from the dead. Now, not just one or two manuscripts say this, thousands of them do. If it was just one manuscript saying that Jesus came back from the dead, then fine I myself would believe its fake. But the fact that thousands of manuscripts say Jesus was the Son of God, and was divine just makes me believe it was true. There is also other evidence to prove Jesus was real. Why would thousands of people spend days writing about a normal man? It dosnt make sense. Thats why he must have been special.

Just becouse he existed and writings said that he was god does not automatically mean he was god. Many people wrote about mohammad, so by your logic, Islam is the correct religion....

No it does not mean Islam is correct. Writing about Jesus is much different than writing about a Religion. Because there is proof Jesus existed, not just from Manuscripts. Islam Religion was not written by eye-witness accounts. The story of Jesus was written by Eye-Witness accounts from thousands of people. There is also proof that Jesus did exist and he did die on the cross. People are just still skeptical about the whole Son of God thing.

But there is very strong evidence to prove Jesus did exist, and was crusified. There is no proof for the Islam Religion yet. Thats why the Jesus story is much more believable.

The gospels were not written by eye witness accounts. They were written decades later by four authors that had totally different motives for what they wrote. They were written by people that nver even saw Jesus.

Im not talking about The Gospels. Im talking about other manuscripts which were eye witness accounts. Lots of manuscripts were written when Jesus was around, they all stated he was the Son of God. You are also acting like decades is a 100 year period. A decade is 10 years, the 4 Gospels were eye-witnesses, and of course were still alive 10 years later. Just by you making that stupid comment that the 4 Gospels never saw Jesus just shows how much you know. 4 Gospels did see Jesus, they were eye-witness when he rose from the dead. Also, all 4 authors had very similar story's, so dont give me this crap they had different motives.

I bring facts to the table, you bring nothing, which shows you have no brains in this subject because you have said so many incorrect things.

Please name these manuscripts then. If you said thousands, you can at least name 10.  Also, most scholars--and people who study religion--belive that the gospels were written many decades after Jesus died. Some think that the reason that they had similar stories is the writers of the gospels plagarized each other.

When Leonardo Da Vinci painted "The Last Supper", guess who was in that painting? Jesus, and the 4 Gospels.

But I thought you just said the stories of the 4 Gospels were not similar? Now you are saying they are? Are you crazy or just plain stupid, you cant just change your words around when I prove you wrong. Unless you are going to bring some hard solid facts to the table, dont even bother posting.

They had totally different movives for what they wrote (they were not similar) but they plagarized each other (so they were similar). I didn't come up with this. It is what most religous scholars believe. Just look up the "Gospel of Matthew two source hypothesis" PS I am still waiting for you to name some manuscripts.
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[QUOTE="rimnet00"]qwerty, would you mind pointing me towards where I could find these manuscripts. I would be interested in studying them.qwerty2305

I cant be bothered finding a link right now. But I have seen shows on the Discovery channel about this subject. There are museums in Europe which have ancient manuscripts and records about Jesus, and him rising from the dead.

If you really want some Manuscripts to study, read the bible. Do you know how the bible was made? Tons of ancient manuscripts that were written thousands of years ago all got put together which makes The Bible!

The bible

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"] So you're saying not all of it is a fairy tale? So certain figures in the bible existed? Are you saying the miracles are fabricated? Are you saying that the spiritual and supernatural aspects are fabricated? Didn't you once say that there is no recorded proof that Christ existed? And now you're saying "Just because he existed..does not automatically mean he was God." So you only believe some of the bible?qwerty2305

Actually I just said that for sake of argument. Jesus is just a character invented by some clever writer(s).

Jesus is a character written about by thousands of inoccent people who had a family. People who just wanted to live there life, get as much money and food as they can. They did not have time to make up story's about Jesus. There was such limited supplies back then, they were all fighting for a good house to live in, clean food and water. There was no time to make up huge story's that would take Years to make up for them. Thats why I truly think its real.

If people were living in such poverty, just trying to survive, wouldn't they want some stories to believe in? Wouldn't it be in their interest to come up with a religion like Christianity--having a personal relationship with a God can be soothing.
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[QUOTE="h8jlhbtw"][QUOTE="qwerty2305"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="qwerty2305"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="qwerty2305"] This is why I believe in God, because there is historical proof everywhere that Jesus was the son of God. qwerty2305

Such as?

Thousands of manuscripts and ancient records have been recovered that all say Jesus was the Son of God. Manuscripts from the time Jesus was around, say that he came back from the dead. Now, not just one or two manuscripts say this, thousands of them do. If it was just one manuscript saying that Jesus came back from the dead, then fine I myself would believe its fake. But the fact that thousands of manuscripts say Jesus was the Son of God, and was divine just makes me believe it was true. There is also other evidence to prove Jesus was real. Why would thousands of people spend days writing about a normal man? It dosnt make sense. Thats why he must have been special.

Just becouse he existed and writings said that he was god does not automatically mean he was god. Many people wrote about mohammad, so by your logic, Islam is the correct religion....

No it does not mean Islam is correct. Writing about Jesus is much different than writing about a Religion. Because there is proof Jesus existed, not just from Manuscripts. Islam Religion was not written by eye-witness accounts. The story of Jesus was written by Eye-Witness accounts from thousands of people. There is also proof that Jesus did exist and he did die on the cross. People are just still skeptical about the whole Son of God thing.

But there is very strong evidence to prove Jesus did exist, and was crusified. There is no proof for the Islam Religion yet. Thats why the Jesus story is much more believable.

The gospels were not written by eye witness accounts. They were written decades later by four authors that had totally different motives for what they wrote. They were written by people that nver even saw Jesus.

Im not talking about The Gospels. Im talking about other manuscripts which were eye witness accounts. Lots of manuscripts were written when Jesus was around, they all stated he was the Son of God. You are also acting like decades is a 100 year period. A decade is 10 years, the 4 Gospels were eye-witnesses, and of course were still alive 10 years later. Just by you making that stupid comment that the 4 Gospels never saw Jesus just shows how much you know. 4 Gospels did see Jesus, they were eye-witness when he rose from the dead. Also, all 4 authors had very similar story's, so dont give me this crap they had different motives.

I bring facts to the table, you bring nothing, which shows you have no brains in this subject because you have said so many incorrect things.

Please name these manuscripts then. If you said thousands, you can at least name 10.  Also, most scholars--and people who study religion--belive that the gospels were written many decades after Jesus died. Some think that the reason that they had similar stories is the writers of the gospels plagarized each other.
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in the bible when it says "7 days" it doesnt necesarily refer to the period of time that we today know as a "day"serbsta69
There are christians that believe the literal translation or creation. There are christians that believe the bible shouldn't be taken literally. There are those that pick some things to be taken literally and ignore others? If so much is left to human interpretation, which one is right?
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="qwerty2305"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="qwerty2305"] This is why I believe in God, because there is historical proof everywhere that Jesus was the son of God. qwerty2305

Such as?

Thousands of manuscripts and ancient records have been recovered that all say Jesus was the Son of God. Manuscripts from the time Jesus was around, say that he came back from the dead. Now, not just one or two manuscripts say this, thousands of them do. If it was just one manuscript saying that Jesus came back from the dead, then fine I myself would believe its fake. But the fact that thousands of manuscripts say Jesus was the Son of God, and was divine just makes me believe it was true. There is also other evidence to prove Jesus was real. Why would thousands of people spend days writing about a normal man? It dosnt make sense. Thats why he must have been special.

Just becouse he existed and writings said that he was god does not automatically mean he was god. Many people wrote about mohammad, so by your logic, Islam is the correct religion....

No it does not mean Islam is correct. Writing about Jesus is much different than writing about a Religion. Because there is proof Jesus existed, not just from Manuscripts. Islam Religion was not written by eye-witness accounts. The story of Jesus was written by Eye-Witness accounts from thousands of people. There is also proof that Jesus did exist and he did die on the cross. People are just still skeptical about the whole Son of God thing.

But there is very strong evidence to prove Jesus did exist, and was crusified. There is no proof for the Islam Religion yet. Thats why the Jesus story is much more believable.

The gospels were not written by eye witness accounts. They were written decades later by four authors that had totally different motives for what they wrote. They were written by people that nver even saw Jesus.
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="qwerty2305"] This is why I believe in God, because there is historical proof everywhere that Jesus was the son of God. qwerty2305

Such as?

Thousands of manuscripts and ancient records have been recovered that all say Jesus was the Son of God. Manuscripts from the time Jesus was around, say that he came back from the dead. Now, not just one or two manuscripts say this, thousands of them do. If it was just one manuscript saying that Jesus came back from the dead, then fine I myself would believe its fake. But the fact that thousands of manuscripts say Jesus was the Son of God, and was divine just makes me believe it was true. There is also other evidence to prove Jesus was real. Why would thousands of people spend days writing about a normal man? It dosnt make sense. Thats why he must have been special.

The gospels that are the basis for the New Testament were all written decades after Jesus lived. They were written by humans that might have never met Jesus. And just because there are manuscripts that say Jesus was the Son of God, doesn't mean that it is true.
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A couple suggestions.  You need to fix the grammatical stuff.  There are a gazillion run on sentences.  Also, the first sentence has to go, too corny. 

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#9 h8jlhbtw
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IT is a fact that the earth is getting warmer, why does anyone get upset with you when you don't agree on the exact role that humans play in this process? louislegros
But is it a fact that humans are the main cause of this? No, that's just a theory.

I know, I was just pointing out how, mainly liberals, will chastise anyone who has even a slightly differing view on global warming then themselfs.

This isn't a conservative versus liberal argument. This is a world problem. Almost every scientist says that global warming is occurring and is a problem. These are scientists saying it. The smartest people in the world are almost in complete accord that humans are causing the problem.
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IT is a fact that the earth is getting warmer, why does anyone get upset with you when you don't agree on the exact role that humans play in this process? louislegros
But is it a fact that humans are the main cause of this? No, that's just a theory.

It is a theory that the majority of the scientists in the world believe in.