[QUOTE="householdman"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="householdman"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="householdman"]

I will condeed the price as a problem for solid state drives, however, HDD's have the highest failure rate of any internal componant of a PC, save optical drives/disk drives. Flash drives are pretty much just more advanced variations of the rom chips on your mobo.

I mean. HDDs rely on a delicate unison of heads and magnetic plates that act in much the same manner as a rewritable cd. It has native issues. It's like comparing a portable cd player with an ipod.....Flash drives are essentially a single electrical component, all the otherstuff that's on the pcb is to facilitate data transfer and power managment.

xscrapzx

Yea, but were talking about hundreds of thousands of write cycles, and that's for those cheap POS you buy from electronic stores. As I said, price is an issue, but it is more than possible to create a drive that will withstand more write cycles than you could possibly do in the space of a normal HDDs life cycle. There is also optimization techniques that would be implemented, such as putting more emphasis in running core software directly from RAM banks, as opposed from the main storage facility of the computer.

Electrical interference, psychical knocks, power failures, over use, intense heat...all these things can cause head crashes or worse in an HDD, a lot of the time rendering the device useless and the data unsalvagable.

Im sorry your write and we are all wrong, and basically what you are saying in order to make those awesome solid state drives last long is by implementing something that doesn't even exsist right now! So you are agreeing with the rest of us, whats your point?

Of course it exists, as I pointed out, it's just too pricey to use at the scale needed, at this point in time. I'm just saying the technology is sound, more so than that of a mechanical drive. Don't blame me for the lackluster implementation.

I'm not trying to claim that HDDs are less reliable than the flash drives you will buy from Radio shack or whatever, simply that given the reasources, flash drives could be manufactored that would far outlast a traditional HDD.

I understand where you are coming from, but if its not being implemented, (which you could say about a lot of technology) it doesn't exsist at this time. So there for you have a reliability issue with solid state drives.

Yea, but we are discussing this in a topic that specificlly deals with the future and possible media changes. I'd say that the things I have stated here a more than relevant. I don't expect PCs with solid state storage facilities to be realesed in the next few years any more than I expect support for optical drives to suddenly drop and be replaced with the cart revolution :P

[QUOTE="jhonnyboi1134"]ew these pics are horrible. crysis blows this linear 8 hour game out the water.saolin323

Fable LC was 25+ hours, Fable 2 is 10x bigger, so how do you do the math ? Try 50-60 hours to see half of what it offers

And if you count art, those are my TRILLIONS OF MILES the best looking graphics i have ever seen, and are 100% dynamic too, everyhting moves and NPC's have real lives, sun move etc

The world is VAST, and totally free roaming too, so get your "facts" straight fanboy

Sounds like someone wasn't around during the hype of Fable :P

Remember kid, Opinon != fact ;)

[QUOTE="householdman"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="householdman"]

I will condeed the price as a problem for solid state drives, however, HDD's have the highest failure rate of any internal componant of a PC, save optical drives/disk drives. Flash drives are pretty much just more advanced variations of the rom chips on your mobo.

I mean. HDDs rely on a delicate unison of heads and magnetic plates that act in much the same manner as a rewritable cd. It has native issues. It's like comparing a portable cd player with an ipod.....Flash drives are essentially a single electrical component, all the otherstuff that's on the pcb is to facilitate data transfer and power managment.

xscrapzx

Yea, but were talking about hundreds of thousands of write cycles, and that's for those cheap POS you buy from electronic stores. As I said, price is an issue, but it is more than possible to create a drive that will withstand more write cycles than you could possibly do in the space of a normal HDDs life cycle. There is also optimization techniques that would be implemented, such as putting more emphasis in running core software directly from RAM banks, as opposed from the main storage facility of the computer.

Electrical interference, psychical knocks, power failures, over use, intense heat...all these things can cause head crashes or worse in an HDD, a lot of the time rendering the device useless and the data unsalvagable.

Im sorry your write and we are all wrong, and basically what you are saying in order to make those awesome solid state drives last long is by implementing something that doesn't even exsist right now! So you are agreeing with the rest of us, whats your point?

Of course it exists, as I pointed out, it's just too pricey to use at the scale needed, at this point in time. I'm just saying the technology is sound, more so than that of a mechanical drive. Don't blame me for the lackluster implementation.

I'm not trying to claim that HDDs are less reliable than the flash drives you will buy from Radio shack or whatever, simply that given the reasources, flash drives could be manufactored that would far outlast a traditional HDD.

[QUOTE="householdman"]

I will condeed the price as a problem for solid state drives, however, HDD's have the highest failure rate of any internal componant of a PC, save optical drives/disk drives. Flash drives are pretty much just more advanced variations of the rom chips on your mobo.

I mean. HDDs rely on a delicate unison of heads and magnetic plates that act in much the same manner as a rewritable cd. It has native issues. It's like comparing a portable cd player with an ipod.....Flash drives are essentially a single electrical component, all the otherstuff that's on the pcb is to facilitate data transfer and power managment.

HuusAsking

Yea, but were talking about hundreds of thousands of write cycles, and that's for those cheap POS you buy from electronic stores. As I said, price is an issue, but it is more than possible to create a drive that will withstand more write cycles than you could possibly do in the space of a normal HDDs life cycle. There is also optimization techniques that would be implemented, such as putting more emphasis in running core software directly from RAM banks, as opposed from the main storage facility of the computer.

Electrical interference, psychical knocks, power failures, over use, intense heat...all these things can cause head crashes or worse in an HDD, a lot of the time rendering the device useless and the data unsalvagable.

When it comes down to it, static hardware is simply more reliable than mechanical. The cost is really the only major barrier. How many thousands of times do you rewrite data onto RAM? Yet it doesn't fail as often as HDDs do.

I'm not trying to claim that HDDs are less reliable than the flash drives you will buy from Radio shack or whatever, simply that given the reasources, flash drives could be manufactored that would far outlast a traditional HDD.

[QUOTE="householdman"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="csliney"]

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]The only problem with your theory is the fact that solid state drives don't have the life expectancy that of a disk drive. They have gotten better than in the past but they are still not as reliable as a disk drive.xscrapzx

Where did that come from though? because I have always found disk drives burn out eventually but never had any problem with cartridges with the exception of having to blow the actually Nes cartridges, but to be fair they were over 10 years old. I would have thought laser diodes have a lower life expectancy.

I'm not specifically talking about cd-roms or catridges. In general solid state drives don't have the life expectancy that of let say a hard disk drive. That is why you will see disk format for a long long time before solid state will start to show up as a big media contender. I dont know the life expectancy of a laser diodes or actually game cartridges, but I do know that thumb drives, or even the newer solid state drives, do not have the life expetancy that of a regular hard disk drive.

What?? So static state drives have a shorter life expectancy than mechanical ones? That's just untrue.

Um ya it is true, look it up. They HAVE gotten better, but they still dont have the life expectancy that of a hard disk drive. A lot of the older solid state drives such as thumb drives used to rely on a battery for the memory to be available when there was no power via the usb. That has now sense changed, which means they are lasting longer. They still are not as reliable as hard disk drives, and not only that they are very very expensive, for a 30gig solid hard drive its like 3, 400 bucks.

I mean. HDDs rely on a delicate unison of heads and magnetic plates that act in much the same manner as a rewritable cd. It has native issues. It's like comparing a portable cd player with an ipod.....Flash drives are essentially a single electrical component, all the otherstuff that's on the pcb is to facilitate data transfer and power managment.

[QUOTE="csliney"]

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]The only problem with your theory is the fact that solid state drives don't have the life expectancy that of a disk drive. They have gotten better than in the past but they are still not as reliable as a disk drive.xscrapzx

Where did that come from though? because I have always found disk drives burn out eventually but never had any problem with cartridges with the exception of having to blow the actually Nes cartridges, but to be fair they were over 10 years old. I would have thought laser diodes have a lower life expectancy.

I'm not specifically talking about cd-roms or catridges. In general solid state drives don't have the life expectancy that of let say a hard disk drive. That is why you will see disk format for a long long time before solid state will start to show up as a big media contender. I dont know the life expectancy of a laser diodes or actually game cartridges, but I do know that thumb drives, or even the newer solid state drives, do not have the life expetancy that of a regular hard disk drive.

What?? So static state drives have a shorter life expectancy than mechanical ones? That's just untrue.

Read speeds increase. Loading not as big of an issue.

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StringGuard

The device is still interfacing with the media via optical technology, this will not reach the speeds of a direct connection for some time.

[QUOTE="chutup"][QUOTE="TNOFTG"]

[QUOTE="Taalon"][QUOTE="TNOFTG"]The core gameplay of any fighter in any series usually stays the same.GiveMeSomething

It was more of a response to the title than the specifics.

Anyways, the same could be said about any fighter, no point in arguing it.

Indeed, Brawl has tried very hard to evolve the gameplay more than most fighters do, with its level editor, online, deeper story mode, recording features and VC demos. It's still basically the same gameplay, but they're certainly tacked on a lot of extra stuff that you wouldn't expect from most fighting game sequels. That's probably why it got AAA if you ask me.

Sure... it has tried to evolve. However, a 9.5? C'mon.

Level Editor: Been done by other games (halo3)

Online: Lets not even talk bout it

Deeper Story Mode: Deeper = better? Dont think so D;

Recording Features = Been Done before too

Sure, its got a LOT of new features, but none of them are new to the gaming industry, so i think a 9.5 is just too much

for a game thats not doing anything new. In my opinion, this game deserves 8.7-9. Why? Because in one hand its a great game and its a lot of fun. But in the other, its just an upgrade from SBM mixed with some next gen features (online, lvl editor)

it's no more of a rehash than Halo 3 is. It's not like Halo 3 brought anything new to the table either. Not to mention they are both the 3rd games in their respective series.

IMO a fighter has more allowence for repetition than a shooter.

[QUOTE="householdman"][QUOTE="saolin323"]

[QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"]I dont think it was ever about the price. Well it was, but only to some extent. Its more that Nintendo went for a different focus with the Wii. And its focus is obviously not graphics, so comparing the two would be useless.saolin323

But now you can have the above graphics for 50 euro less than Wii !!!!!!!! And the HUGE, dynamic, next gen like Alan Wake and full of life world of Fable 2, one of the best upcoming RPG's

But you can't have the sophisticated motion controls. Most people don't realize how complicated that technology is. Download the .net librarys sometime and see what it can do. The Wii offers something far more than the 360 and to a lesser extent the ps3.

Frankly, in all games i have used those controls in, felt more like a gimmick, that is akward to use too, than anything else

And RPG's i mostly play, barely have much use for such controls anyway, i will prefer huge dynamic, detailed and stunning looking worlds, with lively NPC's and HUGE detail in things around, like Fable 2, than a game looking like Zelda, just becaue you can aim your bow better (debatable actually, i felt worst with the mote than older controls)

The current implementation is not what I am talking about. I'm talking about the potential and monetary value of the technology that the Wii encompasses. Besides, there are some excellent use of motion controls. I would rather play a tennis game with awesome motion controls than a tennis game with near realistic gfx.

I also play mostly RPGs, but I don't really feel there are any worth playing on consoles at this point. I prefer core RPGs like those based on the d20/dnd rules. To this day, the closest modern game I have found to actual pen and paper role playing is Temple of Elemental Evil. If I'm going to be completely honest, I don't really consider jRPGs true RPGs. The Final Fantasy series was great in it's hayday, and even some it's latter iterations are worth a play through, however I don't feel they deserve praise as an RPG series when they are compared to series like Baldur's Gate and Gothic.

But hey, that's just my opinion, I mean, I still play MUDs. I do like the 360 (I have one at my house while my friend is between houses), good shooters. The PS3 however......well I'll just wait for Jak4 or Sly4.