[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]I think the official rule is it depends on who owns the franchise. Some publishers hire 2nd party devs to make a game, but they own the rights to the IP. That makes it a first party franchise. Other times, publishers allow the dev to retain the IP rights. That makes it a second party franchise. And if the dev and publisher who own the rights have no hard affiliation with the console manufacturer, its third party.GoodkupoBan

Yeah, I believe a poor choices of words got me in that one. But it does however prove, that not all first-party tittle are developed by Sony themselves.

Manufacturers: the guys that make the console (Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft)

Publisher: the guys with the money (may be the same as the manufacturer)

Developer: the guys that make the games (may be the same as the publisher)

IP: Intellectual Property-this is the franchise. Mario is an IP owned by Nintendo.

If the IP is owned by the manufacturer, it is first party. If sony publishes a game developed by Studio X, and the contract stipulates that Sony owns the rights to the IP, it is a first party franchise. If the contract instead says Studio X owns the IP and can do what they want with it, it is not. Make sense?

For this to be considered "genius", they would need to have planned this pre-ps2. Otherwise, I would call it "luck" or "chance". whoisryanmack

You mean like how they did the same thing at ps2 launch? continued to make ps1 games and show some of the strongest ps1 sales after the ps2 came out until everyone started to transition over? Yeah... they did do that. And that didn't work out too well for ps2 sales long-term did it? Oh wait... it did. So surely it won't work this generation, right?

So you are saying thats Sonys plan all along was to have the PS2 keep the PS3 from selling? My...thats clever...fiendishly clever.Riverwolf007

No, it was more like let's not crap on the millions of people who own a ps2 by dropping support and forcing them to buy new consoles in order to get new games. They know that ps2 will continue to sell after the ps3 launch, just like they know that ps3s will still be selling after the next system. By overlapping systems they continue to lead in sales. Some other company's stop making new games for a system within a month or two of the new ones launch. I call that crapping on your customers, since not all of them can afford to run out and buy a new launch console.

Come on ppl, at this point it should be clear: both the xbox and ps3 are here to stay. They will compete and give us really good titles each. I have a ps3, and eventually will get a xbox. If you are a gamer, you will eventually own both consoles.

Regarding the dvd format war, this holiday season is critical for HD-DVD. If they dont makeenough sales, they will banish. How do I know? HD-DVD had to pay 150 million dollars to get Paramount/DW to drop Bluray. They know how critical this holiday season is.

alex77k

I will eventually get a 360 to go with my ps3 as well. IF microsoft can do something about the crap hardware before they move on to a new system.

Yet, the PS3 has been such a money-pit they're posting losses in the games division.Grive

No game system ever posts profit in its first year. R+D is too expensive. MS games division has not had a profitable quarter since the release of the first x-box. Hmmmm. Sony's gaming division has had plenty of profitable quarters through the years. Hmmmm. I think the point goes to Sony on this one.

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"][QUOTE="Prtofdacrowd"][QUOTE="DeadMan1290"]

[QUOTE="springz300"]Halo series only managed to sell 22 million xboxs with TWO HALO GAMES.

360 is ONLY GETTING ONE.

I dont know why lemmings are so dilusional and think Halo is gonna make 360 pull off Wii sales or somethin.


360 is only popular IN AMERICA. Get over it lemmings. playstation is known worldwide.


halo 3 is not the nail in the coffin to anything but the trilogy. thankx.Prtofdacrowd

Actually 360 is getting 2 or more....Halo Wars ring any bells?

Yes cause us Irish never heard of a X370 or whatever : roll : thats why theres an xbox center in Dublin full of LIVE enabled xboxs and system links etc

Thats funny heard of halo wars?

And so what MS does have other franchises and new mulitplays heh MGS4 ring a bell.... Viva Pinata, Gears, Shadowrun, other future ones

Sony is more a 3rd party console which means good games now and again, but they can go anywhere and multi plat if they want, as well as that you have to sift through an enormous amount of crap games like on the PS2

Sony is a 3rd party console? Sony has more first party exclusive franchises than either MS or Nintendo.

Name them then?

Off my head, God of War, Killzone, Ratchet, Gran Turismo, Hot Shots Golf, ICO/Shadow of the Colossus, Twisted Metal, Wipeout, Warhawk, Motorstorm, SOCOM, Jak and DAxter, Singstar, etc. others can probably name more. Or I can look some up.

[QUOTE="DeadMan1290"]

[QUOTE="springz300"]Halo series only managed to sell 22 million xboxs with TWO HALO GAMES.

360 is ONLY GETTING ONE.

I dont know why lemmings are so dilusional and think Halo is gonna make 360 pull off Wii sales or somethin.


360 is only popular IN AMERICA. Get over it lemmings. playstation is known worldwide.


halo 3 is not the nail in the coffin to anything but the trilogy. thankx.Prtofdacrowd

Actually 360 is getting 2 or more....Halo Wars ring any bells?

Yes cause us Irish never heard of a X370 or whatever : roll : thats why theres an xbox center in Dublin full of LIVE enabled xboxs and system links etc

Thats funny heard of halo wars?

And so what MS does have other franchises and new mulitplays heh MGS4 ring a bell.... Viva Pinata, Gears, Shadowrun, other future ones

Sony is more a 3rd party console which means good games now and again, but they can go anywhere and multi plat if they want, as well as that you have to sift through an enormous amount of crap games like on the PS2

Sony is a 3rd party console? Sony has more first party exclusive franchises than either MS or Nintendo.

Unfortunately I agree with you. Damn teh cows teh cell beats teh 360:cry:..More variety of games, means better games to choose from instead of the same ol' alien killing, saving earth type of shooter. One question though wasn't that partof the original Xbox's success?

DeadMan1290

The original x-box had success? It managed to sell what, 20% of the number of PS2s? And Microsoft's gaming division has YET to have a single quarter with net profit... Losing money every quarter is not success.

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"][QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

What 360 exclusives? Bearing in mind that I own a PC...

clone01

mass effect, fable 2, left 4 dead, halo 3, too human, eternal sonata, alan wake. there's a lot more, but these are the ones that have the "potential" (i'm not saying they will be) to be AAA titles.

He said he's a PC owner.

Unrelated, only Eternal Sonata tickles me...with a broken feather.

so what if he's a PC owner. he asked a question, i answered it. what are you currently playing on the PS3 (i'm not blasting here - just curious).

I agree with the not blasting, no reason not to be civil, just mutual curiosity.

IMO Fable was one of the biggest let downs of all time; hyped as the greatest rpg ever, beatable in under 10 hours... I prefer RPGs with a solid 60+ hours play time, or more if you play for completion. And it went to PC, so I would imagine Fable 2 will as well. Halo 1 and 2 went to PC, so will 3. Pretty much all Xbox games do. Or thay are multi-plat to begin with. Thats why I mentioned having a PC; are there any 360 games I can't play as a ps3/pc owner?

To answer your question, my PS3 library at the moment is a handful of multi-plats, Genji (okay) and Resistance (awesome). Also have a few PSN games, and a stack of Blu-ray movies (mmmm blu-ray yumminess). If I limit myself to one game a month for the rest of the year (I don't live with mommy, I pay bills) it'll be Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Folklore, Assassin's Creed (multi) and Rock Band (multi).